How Writers Can Be More Productive Using AI with Ben Tossell

0:00welcome back to the show the weird happened show I'm bringing on my friend Ben tossel today uh he is the no code guy but more recently he's become almost the AI guy he's got this incredible newsletter called Ben's bites where he does all the work for you and kind of just looks at the most interesting AI stories what are interesting use cases in Ai and he breaks it down for you so I've been really enjoying his newsletter and just wanted to catch up with that what's keeping him curious and why he's really excited about Ai and so uh welcome to the show Ben and yeah excited

0:36to chat about stuff and all the crazy magic that's swollen the internet these days [Music]

0:53yeah so before we get into the AI bit could you talk a little bit about what got you excited about no code and how you're feeling about no code right now yeah so no code came from like a necessity for me like I can't code I've never been able to code I've tried I have tried I know people say that you'll be able to do it everyone should learn I don't think anyone should learn or every I don't think everyone should do it so that's gonna piss people off um and I was working at product hunt at the time so I was like a victim of my

1:28surroundings there's all these people launching all these cool things every single day and I was like I want to build something I want to do something as well I want to like put something together that I've built and I couldn't code so I I sort of looked to what can I use off the shelf and those things like zapier and type form and bubble and webflow so I was like well I can put these things together and then make it look like I coded it and it's a real thing so that's that's what I started doing and I started doing that a lot and started pushing pushing these like tool Stacks

2:00together and seeing how far I could push them so things were like Airbnb without code and stuff like that so I'd really go to to the extremes to show that these things are possible without needing to code and also it then became a really quick to do it you have to learn code for nine months and you'd have to like do all of that stuff you could build something in a weekend and then test it out on on the Monday and see if people liked it or hated it so I started doing that like a ton and people was just following me and they were just always

2:30asking how are you doing that how are you doing that how are you doing that and I thought I'll just build stuff and then just remember to record my screen and that'll be a business I'll like sell access to my videos so that's essentially what makeupad was it was a tutorial platform an educational platform a ton of tutorials on how to build stuff with no codes or how you can put these things together and build an Airbnb or build a membership business or build an Instagram clone on mobile and all these sort of different things that people don't know how to build if they can't code

3:08um so yeah that was I started that as a side project in January 2019 I took about 350k of funding from calm fund and other angels in September October 2019 and then we were acquired by zapier in March 2021 so it's quite quite a quick process but yeah it was it was awesome it was sort of like before the no code Trend kicked off and then we sort of rode that wave as I kicked off and I think it's even as prominent today as it was then I just think even with all this AI stuff I think they're all actually connected it's all to do with

3:50democratization of software development like doing more with software without needing to be technical or needing to know all these really specific things in order to do x with software okay what's really interesting about your story is you really just like followed your curiosity I've you know I felt like it came from a place of Purity it's like people should be able to do this or hey I really want to do this and other people might be willing to pay or or just be interested in it did you ever think the business of no code and teaching and Community could be really big or were you just like I'm just gonna

4:27put some stuff out there and you know hopefully it works out I think my whole life has been put stuff out there and see what works um I always wanted to be an entrepreneur always thought I'd be like some hot shot CEO one day and that never happened still um I don't want to be there actually it turns out but I just was never happy with this is how it is so learn to code or don't that can't be the the future of how people build stuff on the internet like it didn't make sense to me like you have to learn to code but what if I

4:57really struggle to learn to code like well if I can't I don't work with numbers and functions and I don't work like my brain doesn't work that way I want to have quicker feedback loops I don't want to be a software engineer I just want to make stuff and then yeah I tried I think I launched like 50 things before make Pad happened and make a pad happen because people didn't pay for all my other things they would see the things I built and say yeah cool I'm not buying that but how did you do it and I was like sort of that those who can't do teach

5:27type scenario where I was like well I can just show you and I I'd seen go rails is the website it's like a screencasting business it was called at the time I saw that on Indie hackers and I was like well this guy makes like 15 grand a month just recording his screen and building stuff that is interesting to him like that seems cool that's a one-person business it seems like a very simple straightforward thing to do um I bet I could do something like that I can't pretend that I like thought it all up and then made it reality it just happened as and when

5:59yeah there wasn't like a grand plan you kind of just like went with it no now you're spending a lot of time thinking about the world of AI and I think a lot of people are interested in Ai and they're seeing stuff happen but it's it's confusing I think to a lot of people just to understand like the lay of the land could you explain basically what AI is like let's start from scratch what is AI why should people care about it yeah well I'm probably gonna butcher a bunch of things in this episode about Ai and I'm sure people will be very vocal on the internet when I do but to me I

6:37think AI is like a computer doing something for you without with almost like a thinking element you can go into the technicals of neural networks and all things like that but to me on a very basic level it's just like it does magic stuff and I know that's really fluffy but I think when you when you use some of these things and you see the use cases of them you understand like oh yeah why why isn't it that and I suppose that's similar to the no code vein where if you're if you can't figure out a formula in Excel and you're like I just want to have this

7:13divided by this then Times by that why can't you write it like that and then have the computer that does has all this power in it to actually figure out what you mean by those things put it together write the right formula create it in a code that a computer understands and then pulls out the information that you're actually looking for that side of things people might understand a bit more where it's like you're translating what I'm trying to think of but I don't know the answer to and given it to computer to solve that problem for me um but there's loads of different use cases and I'm sure we're

7:50getting to a bunch of them today like um generative AI art and things like that so yeah there's there's loads of different ways to look at that I think AI is actually more of a a bolt on it's like a feature for most companies rather than AI is the thing AI is almost like Google search to people it's like oh how is Google like got all these results and put them all together and put them in a in a list for me a computer could do so many more things than we can understand and AI is just that on steroids like to a complete new level so we could finish

8:27a story for you we could write an email for you you can give it some context and it's what people are calling prompt engineering you sort of write a prompt so you write something write me an email that I'm asking I want to ask for a raise for my boss and then it will just create that from all of this information that it's consumed from the internet and then it'll put that together in an email that is readable it makes sense it might not make sense for your use case because you didn't give it any context but it can do those sorts of tasks which look quite fun I think on the on the

9:01outside and people are really seeing a lot of those kinds of demos and things now over the last few months they're really like they're going they're going crazy what are what are some of the categories of of AI like you talk about generative art you know you talk about writing give a sense to people you know what are the different areas that you think Ai and prompt based AI you know they said software is eating the world like AI is eating the world what are the different categories yeah ai's probably eaten software um they're all the same categories as startups and technology in general it's just AI enabled in front of them so

9:42audio for example everyone knows like we are recording a podcast now on a platform and we are doing some stuff they're recording things locally they're doing a bunch of things to make it easy for us to record this and then you can put it out as a podcast on podcast players now we're AI an audio sort of intersect there's okay well you can have Joe Rogan interviewing Steve Jobs where everyone knows that that interview did not happen but you can train AI on a voice it could understand how someone speaks what their mannerisms are what kind of topics they talk about and then they can put those

10:23things together almost like almost perfectly at the moment with like listening to a normal podcast like like you and I are speaking here yeah I mean voice cloning I think just in general you can you speak into your own computer 20 times and then it'll come back with you write a sentence you type one in or you have an AI generates a sentence for you and then that would speak to you in your voice and it's pretty good on the first on the first pass like you can go deeper and train it better and better but the technology there now is just it's really really crazy of how how advanced it is

10:59um and images is obviously a huge one that everyone's probably seen some some talk about AI art whether it's art not art and all of that stuff is because yeah pictures speak a thousand words and that image has never been created before like ever that image is not in its form has not ever been made before but a computer completely generated that from understanding the references within that photo so if it's a horse on the moon doing whatever like it understands what a horse is understands what the moon is and it like can put those together and generate an image that has never been made before

11:40and those kind of things are almost unbelievable as in I know we always say unbelievable but that is almost unbelievable that that kind of thing just can happen because for someone like me who cannot draw a ball it's it's like well I can make these images that are just so much better than I could ever ever dream of like doing and then there's plenty of use cases after that which is product imagery like you see all these d2c brands with X drink in colored background like you're gonna have a ton of those images you could even have ads being optimized like AI could be writing the copy and showing and

12:23generating an image and then all of a sudden it'll swap and change a few things and it'll see what that CTR was much better best go with this one and then they just optimize it automatically you can see that that is definitely going to be happening I just can't see how Ai and like advertising doesn't come to you set up something say I'm selling subscriptions to my newsletter or anything and you just sort of give it a prompt and say that it'll generate copy it'll generate images and it'll run the ads test the ads and get you the most like bang for your buck I suppose

13:01it's about 6 35 a.m here and I'm just about to have my ag1 by athletic greens it's this powder that I look forward to having every single day I put it in about 10 ounces of water it contains vitamins and probiotics and Whole Food Source ingredients that really uh gets my energy up my recovery up and my focus up and I look forward to it really really every single day just like how I have my morning coffee I love having my my morning AG one so for listeners to the Pod I think you might like ag-1 too so athletic greens is offering a one-year supply of immune supporting

13:49vitamin D and five of these free travel packs with your first free purchase all you have to do is go to athleticgreens.com slash wih and and claim it I hope you enjoy it as much as I do I want to talk about what are some of the most interesting like maybe the five most interesting AI companies or projects to watch and while I give you a few seconds to think about that I want to talk about one that I downloaded this morning that I think is really cool um it's by trungfan who you probably know you know he was a writer for the hustle he writes these amazing threads

14:33on Twitter that get you know I see I saw the other day Elon Musk replies to it so if Elon Musk is replying to your threads like something's working yeah um it's called barely.ai and I believe it works with open Ai and it's focused on writers so it's AI prompts for writers so I'm pulling it up right now uh let's see what it can do so you know just to give you a sense uh you can summarize content you know you can put something in and it'll summarize all of that content uh there's some there's a function called polish clarify and expand on your ideas so you just put

15:15something in there and it will literally clarify and expand on your ideas uh create an essay outline like one of the hardest things to do if you're a writer is writing an outline uh here you have a prompt for that headlines for your blog post um you know the right headline the right hook if you're a writer is the difference between your blog post or or post getting seen by a hundred thousand people or Millions so uh help here is is is super awesome and I started using it this morning and I was like wow this is like it's not perfect but it it at least helps me like let's

15:55say create an essay outline I might be like wow I never thought about Point number seven or Point number eight or Point number six and it actually makes me feel like I have a writing partner it takes something that's really big like gtp3 and focuses it on a niche and just tries to be the best thing for that particular niche um so I'm curious what you think of that product and then I'd love for you to talk about your five most interesting AI projects and companies yeah so um when we should talk about um like AI as a partner like we should talk about that afterwards but barely AI

16:32is something I use every day I've used it before it came out like it was I was one of the early users I think I might be one of the top users and I've got some requests that should be coming out within barely AI soon as well so the reason I find it so useful is it lives in my workflow so the difference with some of these AI tools is like an AI writing tool if you have to go to another place to start writing your thing but you actually like writing in Google Docs like that's already a change of a change of scenery for you and it might

17:07already disrupt your flow and you've got like your templates you've got things that you do to write in Google Docs but then if you're using something like Jasper or copy AI you've got to go there and it's it's a point for drop off whereas barely AI is a Chrome extension so anytime I'm on a page so say I'm on a on an article that I'm thinking this would be good to put in the email today I can click the icon click executive summary and it'll summarize everything in like two sentences for me so I can use that and say okay well actually I'd write it in this way or

17:42like there's something in there that's actually helped me understand what this article is about lots of these things are very technical there's all these research papers I use barely AI for every single one of them just to check that am I understanding this this concept correctly um so for me it's been yeah invaluable for my process to like actually create stuff for the newsletter too because it helps me explain it to to try and dumb it down and try and make it a bit easier for a reader to see what this thing is about so belly AI is my top used uh AI tool I think I think we've got to give a

18:17nod to stable diffusion so they're an open like open AI has Dali that's a closed system so you can't you don't know what's going on behind the scenes there but stable diffusion open source their model they've done like they've trained on a ton of parameters they've just released stable diffusion 2.0 so it's like 1.5 was only released six weeks seven weeks ago something like that so it's it's moving really quickly I almost think that being open source is actually helping it grow that quickly um so that's out right now there's another one called lexicon and some of the some of the images that coming out of

18:55that they've got a new model dropping any day now and the the photorealism like they can even do hands like AI art generally is quite bad with like showing an actual five finger hand but this Alaska one is it's just insane like they just had today this um Polaroid versions of like like an airline crew and they just look Flawless there's metaphor search which is a metaphor systems rather which is like a new search uh experience so instead of going to Google and say who is the best female investor um you go to metaphor and you say the best female investor is and then you click enter and it'll give

19:40you like a top search and then I'll give you other people and it gives you the link to where that person's information is Wikipedia page or a personal website and things like that but also the the issue I see with something like metaphor is you've gotta you've got to write it differently you've got to type in something differently and they give you help on how to like write the prompts but I just think this in general like I don't think prompt engineering is actually valuable a valuable thing because I believe all these models and all these tools will actually like abstract that away anyway so if I'm looking for the best

20:16female investor of all time however I phrase that sentence I should have the same result or I should have the like if there is a top female investor that's what I should see at the top um it shouldn't require me to do the work so until until these systems get to that point and like the prompting sort of gets better and I mean with all of these AI systems none of them are perfect but I think it'd be a mistake to judge what AI can do in the future based on like oh well there's no the hands have got three fingers so this is stupid like yeah okay fine but now

20:51almost six weeks later there's now a hand with five fingers like people are training on these and all these open source things there's tons of people doing experiments Here There and Everywhere that we research every day so people will quickly um dismiss it because it looks stupid but it is very early still what's the uh Peter Thiel quote we asked for like rocket ships or something and all we got were 140 characters it's like we asked for you know rocket ships but all we got were hands with three fingers yeah I mean with the Google example I think the question for me is is AI a completely new paradigm like

21:31just like how social was a completely new paradigm you know it's social uh you know Google was there you know Google started in the 90s they saw Facebook they saw Myspace they saw Instagram they had to buy YouTube um and they knew that search was a big component of of the experience of of searching people of searching content but they realistically missed it um and I think that if it's a completely new paradigm if AI is a completely new paradigm it's likely that they will miss a lot of it if AI ends up becoming just merging with the consumer experience like it's a new it's it's not a new paradigm but it's a

22:19it's a new tool in the tool set and they can integrate AI into the core experience I.E they don't have to change their core experience you still go to google.com and you still like write stuff but AI is it's like assisted then I think that they would you know survive and thrive actually better in that environment and we're starting to see that second case with notion like notion just launched with uh what's it called notion AI yeah all these writing tools with like hey now you can have ai in your notion docs until motion brings everyone out and then it's like well that's redundant because I'm on your

22:57side thinking of is it is it a completely new thing like Cloud was I I do think it is but also I do also think it's a feature add-on I do think there's a bolt-on to many of these experiences where if you look at notion obviously they're going to add an AI component like all of these other writing tools and mostly based on gbt3 so there's no reason why notion also can't also be based on gbt3 and provide almost the exact same experience but if you're building a new document knowledge space whatever it calls itself with AI from the start would that look completely different and

23:38could you craft something that there actually makes sense as an AI first product but lots of these bigger companies or lots of companies in general will just be able to do most of the capabilities that a lot of these like I don't want to like downplay them but these like more throwaway products that AI is enabling so all these like Avatar AI products like there's millions of them because there's no there's no real difference it's like they're all very very similar like you ask someone what the difference is of theirs versus this one is mine's got this added style I trained the model on or this one's twenty dollars instead of

24:19thirty dollars it's like yeah okay fine that's like also I don't know that a profile picture AI product is a new big company it's probably something someone does once um and I think it's good to show that like all these Builders are like can see something can make a move on it move quickly and do something really quite spectacular in such a short amount of time but some of these things are just redundant if a different company just adds that on so like these all these writing tools there's lots of them if Google Docs had their version of AI Clippy like does that then mean that barely

25:00Jasper copy AI a lot of those sort of go down in value or just think I don't need these as much obviously there's there's big like fine tuning in in their models and stuff but like when gbt4 comes out does a lot of that go away as well like all the mode they've built up in fine tuning and putting their use cases in and putting a few shot examples in does that almost go away with advances in the actual models themselves that they're based on so that's that's a difficult thing to to judge as well because we don't know what it looked like I think the playbook for if you want to

25:37create an AI startup and sell it for a lot of money is this I think you don't build your own AI models like you leverage like a gtp3 or gtp4 you find a niche that is underserved that could benefit from prompt based AI you explore that and create an a great brand uh an experience around just like how barely AI did it focus on writers and and you launch that product then you know you do business development deals with the large incumbents and you try to get integrated as much as possible into their products and that gives you optionality to potentially sell to them it also

26:34makes them maybe hopefully less likely to actually just like say you know what we don't need you barely AI we're gonna just build it ourselves um what do you think about that I think it's tough at the moment because like so many of these tools have a lot of value and lots of them are making lots of Revenue um but lots of them are copyable like I can just go into open AI playground and have something summarized it might not be as well summarized as using some of these other tools but like I can do some or part of that kind of job and I just think lots of these tools are yeah

27:17you can copy them quite quite easily if you have the know-how and any amount of resources I don't know that I don't know what we'll see in AI like as the big companies or what the bigger opportunities are I think things like if you look at audio Labs or like um resemble AI these sort of voice cloning technologies that you can see lots of use cases for like if all podcasts will run on that if people had all this content based off voice cloning um but again what are those what are those products for people who don't know what they are resemble.ai is one of them

27:55play dot HT and audiolabs.io so there's three already there's three that you can go and like you repeat a bunch of stuff that they prompt you on the screen it'll create your voice with AI and I think I'm pretty sure that most of it is based on again open AI whisper that's the model um and then you could have a wall of text an essay whatever it is a tweet thread and it could be read out in your voice so what I've been thinking of doing is for the email that I write just at the top have an auto generated podcast version that I'm not right like reciting this every single

28:36time but I've recorded I've cloned my voice once that just gets plugged in every time and then that is what is read out um but again like three companies come out quickly with that same but the same kinds of features and the same kind of thing um there will be differences in how well they've trained it the fine tuning the examples they give and that currently is what a lot of these products moats are I think if we can call them moats at the moment because then if a new model comes out like gbt4 for example with writing tools that's why I think the prompt engineering sort of goes away is because

29:16the best of the models are the less you need to be really specific on how you're writing it if you have to give it examples if you have to do all these things but the efforts on you but really what we're getting to is the effort is not on you the AI is creating all of that stuff so I don't know I think it's I think it's interesting to see all these products lots of them are a bit samey um but I've not seen anyone other than like metaphor systems to take a tackle search so far um there's one I saw today which was storytimes.ai and I had this I had the same idea the

29:55other week um which was I was gonna have a 20 photos of my nephew he's two and a half um I was going to get loads of photos of him train a stable diffusion model on his face and turn it into like a Pixar character then have a story generated with insert whatever the AI tool I find and then create like a picture book with him like riding dinosaurs and animals and stuff like that and I had that idea and I spoke to someone last week who also said they had that same idea and then today I saw someone yesterday had posted that they built this idea so

30:34it'll be really interesting but I think a lot of these companies they need to be quick they need to raise a lot of money like you've seen a few of them they've raised money and they they're sort of pushing out ahead and they've got lots of Big Marketing campaigns to like be the first mover um I I and I just don't know how it's all going to play out because it is it is early internal tools the software you build to help your team operate better dictates how fast every team from Engineers to sales reps can execute but you know this building internal tools from scratch and maintaining them

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32:58the Steve Jobs and Joe Rogan interview that's you know using your words magical but it's also a bit like makes me feel weird yeah it just makes me feel weird there's like probably a bunch of AI ideas that would be in the category of makes me feel weird for example like our loved ones that pass away and having caught and having the ability to have conversations with those people it might feel good but it also might make us feel weird um so can you talk a little bit more about social implications in AI yeah I mean I'm not very well versed other than what I've what I've sort of made my own thoughts

33:41about which if there's I mean everyone's I always my job is to sort of look at all the good things about it and look at everything in a positive light and think wow how amazing all this stuff like we get to use all this um but also Bad actors have all of that information too and they're probably using it and they've got access to all these open source models on AI and who's to say what's right and what's wrong with when they have closed systems and there's a lot of chatter about all of that and I I have no I have no answers for people there

34:17um and I just my thought on it is we're going to be able to tell actually I think I'm going to contribute myself but I'll carry on anyway I think we're going to be able to tell like they'll be there'll be a system that you can plug in or say tell me if this video is fake and it'll say fake or whatever like there'll be there's AI systems I've seen a few research research papers on like detecting what actually is already AI generated and even Google is not like ranking AI generated blog posts and I don't actually know or any content rather I don't really know how they do that but

34:57there's there are ways to detect what is generated by AI and I feel like there'd be systems in place that way but also it's probably gonna be as like few and far between as things are now so if someone if someone's using Photoshop and photoshop's an image of me and you doing something that we shouldn't be then like it's only up to us to say that didn't happen we didn't do that type thing but if this image looks Flawless and looks exactly like us that's a difficult thing to then sort of go against and AI can do that like you look at Twitter today you don't

35:36know what tweet is actually telling the truth like so much of it is hearsay or or just made up stuff like you just you don't know you don't know who's telling the truth today in the future you're not gonna know not only if it's the truth but is this Ben who's tweeting this or is this an AI plus no code that like has tweeted this thing yeah but also today is could this be a Ghostwriter that works for Ben writing this stuff like this still is still all the same stuff that we have to deal with now but it's just like it'll be on another level because things

36:11can be generated so quickly and so to such an extreme and to such accurate accuracy that seems like yeah but I heard Steve Jobs saying that to Joe Rogan and until you know well Steve Jobs never that never happened like that's that's where it is so I yeah it's a tough one I don't I hope I'm sure there's plenty of people way smarter than me trying to figure this stuff out on I'll be here to to link to it when when it when they come up with that stuff but yeah I don't know I think it's tough but I'm I'm just hoping for the best but I know

36:48it's it's a problem already so um I think AI just probably adds to it Ai and creators good thing or a bad thing great thing it's probably the best thing to happen to a Creator I don't know why anyone thinks differently it's again a Photoshop example having an AI tool at your disposal is like having a Photoshop expert at your disposal if I'm making a video or need to have a podcast edited or I want to make a a promo video for something things like Runway which is a creative video tool and their marketing videos are insane and they're all created in Runway like you can just type scenes

37:33that you want to see like walking down an Alleyway in Tokyo at night and it'll like change and erase street lights so I don't want that building there let's put this dog in that in that image there instead um you can just do so much more with so much less yeah I I look at it the same way like glass half full how do you how do you use these tools to supercharge you versus use these tools to cut you you know I think we're both optimistic in that sense so I I completely agree with you I read recently that Kathy Wood famous hedge fund manager has said that

38:10AI is deflationary and you know she says it's deflationary I think because if people are going to be using AI to run their businesses and they might need less writers they might need less designers they might need less engineers uh their profits you know could go up and they're also able to pass on uh cost savings to to their customers do you agree that AI is deflationary well I can see a world where that sort of stuff happens where you need less physical writers because one can maybe do the work of three if you're producing content like that obviously very specific very contextual writing needs someone from that experience to to

38:57talk about stuff so AI can can push you and suggest things and say have you thought about this as well or like what about the safety of this and all that sort of stuff kind of like topics we're talking about but it's not going to replace creative thinking as a human and I just think that yeah if someone can do the job of three people then why why would businesses hire three when they can hire one it seems like the same argument to say that oh actually businesses are now hiring contractors to do their content writing because their CEOs don't want to do it and I'm like well yeah that's how all of

39:35this works like you hire out for things that you can't do and you're looking for someone who's the most productive person at that job to do the best job that they can so that we can do this thing and we can charge customers and we can make profits and we can like build a good business so all of those things still are in line and I don't think AI will take all of these jobs you're still going to need someone to like steer the ship and say oh no this way this way I think you need reasoning and like the experiences and everything else to like bring that together I just yeah

40:10I can't see it uh I'm gonna ask this question you're gonna hate it but I'm asking it anyways uh in five years from now biggest AI prediction so it's you know we're sitting down November 28th 2022 right now uh it's November 28th 2027. how has the internet changed and yeah what's the biggest AI prediction for then um I'll make a very bold prediction will have a company pulling in like hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and it'll be like one or two people actually running that that company that can be a bold prediction and I just I don't know what the internet looks like hopefully Twitter is

41:00still around because I need it and I like it and maybe there's a badge that says only posts AI content um maybe it's that I like that I like that a lot all right well Ben this has been awesome if people want to get their feet wet in the world of AI what do you suggest well of course I'd recommend checking out Ben's bites so that's Ben spite stop beehive b-e-e-h-i-iiv.com soon we'll change to the custom domain but yeah Ben's bites um I just try and dump everything down and summarize everything daily so that there's so much there's so much going on there's research there's demos there's

41:47products I just put it all into one email for um checking out in five minutes or less I love it I'm a subscriber my open rate's 100 it's just it's really exciting it's exciting to be seeing all these new tools coming out almost almost every day like it feels like almost every day right and and just playing around with it like if I could recommend people do anything uh Founders Executives at startups uh Executives at large companies is just to like play play with it and and then you'll start going on walks or working out and you'll be like oh wow here's an idea for AI and then you can start you

42:26know take it from there so uh Ben's bites definitely it helps get the juices flowing so thank you for that uh if you enjoyed this uh please please give us a YouTube subscription or a a review on Spotify and apple podcast it does make a big difference and we don't have that many YouTube subscribers and we don't have that many reviews so uh I look at all of them uh so thanks for listening again and see you soon [Music]