He makes $750 a day 'Vibe Coding' Apps (using Replit, ChatGPT, Upwork)

0:00This episode is unlike any of the other episodes because it is a really approachable way to make money on the internet vibe coding and teaching you how people are doing it by selling AI services on Upwork. Now, there's people who are making 5, 10, 15, $20,000 a month solo devs or with a small team. uh literally one prompting or a few prompting apps that they're finding on Upwork. I thought this was really interesting, not because I want to go and do Upwork stuff, but because I think it's a really good way to sc, you know, scouring Upwork is a really, really interesting way to see what are business

0:45problems and what are SAS businesses that you can create. So, I had uh my friend Billy uh come on the pod. And this is a guy who's started and sold multiple Replet apps and just walk you through how to think about making money on the internet with Vibe Coding and how this whole Upwork ecosystem works. Enjoy the episode and uh I'll see you I'll see

1:13you at the end of it. [Music] Billy Howell on the pod. Uh Billy's been going viral recently because uh he's been vibe coding his way using Replet and selling those businesses not just one time but twice. I I wanted to have him on on the show to explain well what what are we going to learn today? I've got it laid out for you right here, Greg. Uh, we're gonna find out how to make profit with vibe coding. Okay, there's a lot I got a lot of question marks, but by the end of this episode, what are some tangible skills that people are going to learn if if they

1:57make it all the way through? Sure. Uh, the number one thing is how to sell an app that you've built. Uh, that's what I get asked all the time is how to sell and how to market. And the secret is not to market, it's just to sell it. So, we're going to walk you through that. Okay. So, you've got me intrigued. I'm I'm I'm That's where I'm at. I'm in the intrigue phase. Let's Let's get right

2:18into it. So, where do we start? Okay. So, we start. We need to find someone to buy to buy the app before we build it. That's where most people get this wrong is they build something and then try to sell it or try to get users. But I found it's a lot easier to just find something

2:35someone wants to buy and then build it. And so if you don't know anyone that wants to buy an app, you should go to Upwork. That's where I sold my first Replet app is Upwork. And so all I did was search for a technology that I knew I could replace with an app. Um, so I use Air Table a lot with past projects and clients for my marketing agency. And I was looking at these jobs uh to do Air Table consulting. And I'm sitting at my desk looking at this one job description and I'm like, I think I could do this better and cheaper than in Air Table because

3:10Air Table you have to pay $20 a seat, right? And so I made a prototype in Replet and then sent a loom to the guy and he's like, I like your prototype in Replet better. And that's how it went. Uh, so we're going to try to look for something here real quick that we could

3:24we could mock up to someone. Okay. Yeah, let's do it. So, by the way, I must say I've never thought of doing this before building anything. Like, I didn't even think this was an option, but it makes so much sense, right? These are this is valid. This is validating. You want to build something that people have validated before, right? And you can you can go and you can search, you know, custom app development on Upwork or wherever. Uh, but I think it's an easier cell when you're replacing something or doing something better than

3:57like existing software could do. Cool. So, what are we looking at? Okay, so we're looking at Upwork listings here of people who've posted a job uh that has Air Table in the keywords. So, we're going to look for something that we can just make an MVP on daily Google ad calls. No code expert need for MVP development. This is one I see a lot on on Upwork. Um, and it's basically going to be a bunch of integrations. MVP that integrates Calendarly, Zapier, Air Table, SMS functionalities. Not sure if I like that one. What do you think? I mean, I I'm curious your like thought process. So,

4:42what about that one didn't you like? Well, for the purposes of this podcast, this is going to be a lot of digging around in uh developer docs to figure out how we get these integrations in a Replet app. Um, Replet might not one-shot it, but we could try it. I mean, just put another way, you're trying to prioritize apps that are going to be

5:12easy to to push and deploy, right? You're not You don't want like complex apps. Yeah. Usually, um, we're looking for CRUD apps, right? Something where it's just putting data in a database, pulling it, visualizing it. Um, you can do all of this with vi with vibe coding. Uh, for sure. Um, it's just going to take,

5:35you know, more tinkering. Okay, cool. So, yeah, let's look uh let's look at maybe another one.

5:47So this is case management um for a nonprofit. So yeah, I mean look at this. This is perfect. Can you read it out loud? We have a lot of like audio listeners who are not on YouTube. So it's called air table base creation specialist needed. Uh the description is we are looking to have an

6:07air table base created for a nonprofit. The system will function as a case management and assistance tracking system. The database will keep track of clients, their case notes, any assistance given, their household members and appointments. There should be an interface design that will show an overview of the business, number of active clients, amount of utilities paid, etc. The interface should also allow workers to view client data and input data. So, they're willing to pay $125 fixed for this project. When I look at that, I'm kind of like, is it worth it? What's a good number? How do you think about what the pricing of some of

6:45these are as an input for if I should build this or not? Yeah. So, this is definitely low. Um, you can look at like how much money they've spent and kind of see. So, maybe these people are looking more for like overseas help. Um, you can always submit a proposal and, you know, price over what they've put and hope that they bite. Um, on Upwork, you pay for like credits to apply. Like, I'll show you down here like connects. And you want to boost it so that you're the top one so they see yours. It just bumps it up on the hiring side so it's first in

7:27their inbox. I don't know. These are probably like $2, $3 worth of credits. Um, but yeah, so for pricing, this is too low. Um, for something like this, I mean, the first one I did, I did for 750 bucks. Uh, I think you want to try to get like closer to that, you know, probably that was uh underpriced a little bit too. But then like you can also get recurring revenue uh from clients who want you to add on features in the future, charge them to pay for hosting. So, I charge clients to pay for hosting. So, it all kind of depends on are you trying to get your foot in the

8:03door? You know, what are you trying to make, right? Yeah. I think I guess the other piece of this is this person might be willing to pay $125, but someone else might be willing to pay $12,000. Who knows, right? So, I think maybe um people need to do their due diligence around like, okay, this might not be worth it for 125, but let me see on Upwork if there's other requests for a similar type of thing. Quick break in the pod to tell

8:38you a little bit about Startup Empire. So, Startup Empire is my private membership where it's a bunch of people like me, like you who want to build out their startup ideas. Now, they're looking for content to help accelerate that. They're looking for potential co-founders. They're looking for uh tutorials from people like me to come in and tell them how do you do email

9:03marketing? How do you build an audience? How do you go viral on Twitter? All these different things. That's exactly what Startup Empire is. And it's for people who want to start a startup but are looking for ideas or it's for people who have a startup but just they're not seeing the traction uh that they need. So you can check out the link to startupmpire.co in the description. Yeah. And so you can just

9:28do fixed price and do higher. Automations is also a good keyword to look for because you can turn most automations into an app with a front end. This one is talking about growing a tutoring business. They need a custom workflow for parent parent inquiries. Yeah, this could be good because they they they need they're pretty much trying to cobble together Google forms, air table, type form, calendarly, a bunch of stuff. Uh, so you

10:03could make this into an app for sure. And they want to pay 2500 bucks. We'll take it. We'll take that 2500 bucks. Is this Is this not too complicated or do you think we can do it? We can definitely do at least, you know, the first part like the data entry on the call. Okay. All right. Let's do it. 2500 bucks. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. And so at this point, um, if it's a simple

10:28enough app and it's 2500 bucks, right? uh you could go ahead and build the prototype and then in the proposal send it as a loom link of you like demoing it for them which I've done and it wor it worked for the for the first one I ever did otherwise I would just talk to them I would pull open like my air table my replet and be like I'm experienced with air table uh we could build it out in here or we could do it in replet and so replace air table with you know whatever SAS you're honing in on if it's air table or HubSpot or Google Sheets or

11:01whatever. Um, so let's just try to prototype this real quick. I'm going to take this whole description, okay? And we're going to cheat a little. How are we going to cheat a little? I like to feed it into chat GPT and just tell it like, can you format these requirements as a PRD for an AI coding assistant? be agnostic when it comes to tech

11:36stack but make sure to use shad CN. Okay. So PRD is a product product requirements document. Is that right? That is right. Yeah. Um it's basically a form that tells an engineer like here's all the features you're going to need. Uh here's like the the the data types and and everything. Lays it out. So, we're going to feed this into replet uh to see what we can get. And then what was the other thing I said? Oh, be a be agnostic about stack. Uh I'm pretty much saying like don't be opinionated. Don't say we need to use you know vite or you know this kind of web framework. just

12:18let Replet kind of do its thing or whatever you use, you know, and you use it's, you know, you mentioned Replet a bunch of times like why are you using we've had Amjad on the the CEO of Replet on the pod before. Um, you know, why using Replet versus the the other platforms? Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I haven't tried Lovable, uh, but I've used Bolt. I would say those are two comparable ones. Um, I I like Replet because I think you can get from idea to

12:50MVP with the least amount of friction. You don't have to worry about package management. Uh, installing stuff does all of that. And then you can deploy really easily and test. Um, of course, like I still use cursor and windsurf to edit. If I have if I get stuck in a loop fixing something or if it's something really complex, I'll pull the code down into Windsor for cursor and prompt

13:12there. Cool. That's helpful. All right. So, what are we looking at right here? So, this is the PRD that just failed to copy. This is Yes. So this is I guess the new chat GPT does like a split view for docs like this inquiry form which sends details to our Gmail inbox. Yeah. So it's laying out all the features like we said just kind of translating it maybe so that an engineer or an AI engineer can understand it

13:46better. So let's go into replet. We're going to paste that in. And I'm just going to say build me this app. Um, use shad CN where you can for UI. That's just the library I like of pre-built React components. You don't have to say that. And I think Replet might use it by default anyways. Um, the other little hack is if you want a specific if you want to upgrade the UI, like say you've got all the app logic done, I go into VO

14:24and just describe what the page does. Um, and then I pull that code. So like an app screen for managing parent student inquiries. you would obviously kind of lay it out more detailed than that, but you can just pull the front end code from VO uh and it'll make you a mockup really quick. Uh this is really good especially if a client has sent you like if they sent you like a drawing like a wireframe, you can just pop it into VO, get that screen exactly. Um, then in this step, like you could just I'm not going to use this, but you could also paste this in and tell replet I have the

15:08front end code for like this screen, so don't worry about it. And it works pretty well. Okay. So, let's start building and see what happens. Let's start building. So, this is Replet V2. It's going to go back and forth a little bit with you before it starts. I think it's going to ask me some questions on features and it uses cloud

15:323.7. Uh, what do you think of Cloud 3.7? Have you used it? Yeah, I mean I use it frankly I use it more like less for coding and and more for writing basically. Um, but I mean it's a step in the right direction. you know, we also used it to build a an a game um where uh that's pretty cool. Like one prompting a game. So I guess I have you know I have used data. It's like I don't

16:08know. I'm just numb to everything now. I'm like oh yeah I even forgot. Oh yeah, one prompted a game. That's crazy, right? Yeah. Like deployed game like fully deployed like insane. If you would have told me that you know I went to CS school. If you would have told me that you know how many years ago now 15 years ago that you'd be able to one prompt PRD design frontend code back you know backend deployed in like under a few minutes I would have told you you're crazy. I think I would have said the same thing but because I wouldn't have understood any of those

16:46words because I studied public policy. So you study So you're not even a developer by trade? No, just kind of a self-taught uh script kitty, you know. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so it says Yep. What is happening on the screen? All right, so the replet agents read the PRD and kind of thought about it. Build the initial prototype. I don't know what would happen if you unchecked this. Uh but it asked, do you want any of these additional features? Um we

17:16definitely want a Postgress database. That's going to be the the where all the user data is stored. Um let's I mean this is kind of a wish list and I would say in the past with most AI this kind of feature where you have a wish list um distracts the AI. Uh but I think replet and cloud 3.7 are so good now it helps it really helps kind of set up your app to bolt these things on later. So I'm

17:42going to check the ones that we want. Um, let's leave off Docu Sign. Maybe that was in the PRD though. Let's just see what happens. And then I am not going to deal with payment processor right now. Uh, because that could get messy. So, we're going to hit approve plan and start. And this is why I mean tools tools like replet and you know the other ones like bolt and lovable are great because like you you know that after you do that prompt it's always going to make you something that runs. So you always have a starting starting point. So like you just get past that initial like

18:24writer's block. Um which is a crazy way to think about code. And you know, all the CS guys are probably cringing hearing me describe it like that, but what can you say? Like, it's vibe coding, man. That's exactly what you could say. And watch them cringe as you say it. Yeah. Yeah. I get a lot of people uh reply replying to my tweets that are just saying like like this app's going to break, like this is AI slop, this guy

18:54or you know, he's just making this up. Is there any truth to that? No. No. So these, you know, this product, this app for example, like you feel comfortable that this can go and see I mean we haven't finished it yet, but that it could see the light of day that someone can use and it can be valuable in their business. Definitely. Yeah, it it definitely takes I mean, you know, if you have no idea how code is working, you probably shouldn't be putting out a production app, right? like it it does take some TLC to make sure to to look out for things that you know would break

19:31once you put it in production, right? Like you you can anticipate what how users are going to break the app, right? Um but so yeah, you just kind of have to have the foresight for stuff like that. Um but otherwise, yeah, these are pretty solid apps. They're just so simple. They're crud apps, you know, right? Yeah. Um it's when you start adding more complex features that you could get in a little bit of trouble, right? I saw like the docy sign integration. Yep. Um you know payments that gets a you know a bit more complicated. What else can get more complicated? Like what should people look out for? Yeah. Uh payments

20:17definitely docuign. uh anything to do with a calendar AI in general gets kind of mixed up with date formatting in time zones. Okay. So, that's something to look out for for sure. Um but then on the other hand, like I I made a I I've skimmed the HubSpot docs and kind of copied and pasted in what I thought we would need into Replet and it it set up OOTH with Replet like

20:45flawlessly. Like I was dumbruck. Um, so it is pretty capable at at integrating other services. Um, especially things that are just like kind of basic API like git calls. Um, if you're doing anything with like posts where you're changing data and other apps or servers, that could get really dicey. You want to make sure you're like locked down there. Uh what I do now um that this is like a real agency is I kind of have uh a dev that specializes in this kind of stuff go through and do like the last 15% and kick the tires, right? Um so that's and you can hire people straight off of Replet. They have

21:29bounties and stuff to uh to do that kind of thing just like hourly or for a fee. Um so that's definitely a good idea. While that's loading, can you I I've never done a bounty on Replet. heard I've heard about it. Can you just show show us where we'd find that and what that looks like? It's just right here in your

21:50dash. Um, let's see. I actually haven't posted one yet. Okay, so this is crazy. So, for like 500 bucks, someone could get a custom tool, an automated system. $1,500 you're getting a web application. But more interesting to me and I think a lot of people listening, the get help button, right? Like the fact that you

22:16can take it to 90% 80% vibe coding. Sometimes something's not working and it's really frustrating and you're sitting there talking to your girlfriend or whatever, your wife, your husband, and you're like, I'm so close. I'm so close yet so far. The get help button. So what happens if you click get help? Okay. You can give the bounty a name, uh, when you want it done by, describe the problem, and then use you have to

22:42buy credits, I think. Yeah. Like it seems like they're called cycles, which is like a coin or whatever. Yeah. Does Replet have its own crypto? Right. Like they're a memecoin. Um, yeah. So, this is something I definitely need to be more disciplined about is just like 50 bucks to troubleshoot something is such a good use of money versus me banging my head against the wall burning $10 and in AI credits and

23:14six hours of my night, you know? Totally. And especially if you're useful like this is your business now, right? Like Yeah. So, if you're going in, you're you're going onto Upwork and you're trying to, you know, make this a business. But, by the way, like how before we go back to the the replet screen, like how much how much are people how much is the most you can money you can make on on uh Upwork, like the top people of Upwork, like the Michael Jordan, the LeBron James. Oh, dude. of Upwork. What are we talking

23:46about? Six figures easy. I know I know one person that does over six figures. He is but he has an agency team, right, to support him doing SEO. Um, but you can go on his profile. Yep. Are we talking Oh, you can go on his profile. It doesn't say how much you make, right? It says how much dollars of jobs you've completed. Oh, okay. I'm curious if you know when you

24:14say six figures, is it like a $100,000? Is it $900,000? You know, like if you go look as if I switched to client, $200,000 earned, $600,000 earned and it's like $12 an hour making $600,000. That's crazy, right? But not to I'm not picking on this guy, but a lot of these are kind of like it's 12 $12 to get in the door and then maybe they upsell you or give it to

24:43their team, right? Um, I would say like solo dooo. Um, I think you could easily clear 5 10k a month just without any outside help. Um, definitely building apps, but even just like if you consult on the right kind of pro projects surrounding like a specific SAS. Cool. All right. Should we go back to see our

25:11replet? Let's see how we're doing here. Let's see what we've done. Building the initial prototype. So, real quick in Replet. Um, this is the agent which kind of acts autonomously and right now he's going through and scaffolding out the whole app. We can see it here in the files on the left. Um, this is the client. This is what the user sees. He's building out components. He I Isn't that weird that I say he? I was going to call you out on that. I didn't want to get you cancelled, but is there a particular reason why you

25:49call called Reflet He? No, I don't know. Is that Yeah, I don't know what I should say. Replet's building. Yeah, we can move on from that. The comment section is gonna is gonna is going to have a field day with that one. Uh yeah. Anyways, you you can see all the files here. The one thing is you got to make sure they initialize the database. I've noticed lately sometimes the replet doesn't initialize

26:20the database right away. Um, but he's still going. So, is he building a screen? We can see. Yeah. Okay. So, we can see this dashboard. So, like a new thing in Replet V2 that they've added is it it it it scaffolds like a UI that doesn't do anything like line by line uh when you start building just to kind of wow you

26:44and like it blows my mind every time. Like it usually looks sick. See if I can pop this out. No, not letting me. Okay. And it looks like it's doing like a mobile app. Yeah. Design, which is interesting. I'm curious why it's doing that. So maybe it was in the PRD or maybe it's

27:05just taking some liberty. I think maybe it is. I mean, I'm not against it. I'm just It's just genuine curiosity. Yeah, I've never had it do that. Interesting. So you So that was probably my fault. Um I think usually I do specify web app and lately I've just been not doing that because usually it knows either way. I mean, we can interact with it in the web. And you can see I've got so many. So, we can see where I started like four months ago. I made a captain's log app that you just talk into and uses AI to like summarize your day. And since

27:44then, I made like 40 more. It's crazy. It's crazy. And like Yeah. And we'll talk at the end once this is live. I want to talk about the process for selling, right? It doesn't have to be Upwork either. Um, you know, so my my best projects best projects are always referrals. So people come in and just be like, "Hey, can you help me do XYZ with this client or fix this internal tooling?" So I think what you can do if you're like an entrepreneur trying to do this is like build like one one or two apps like probably more than that like get good at it. like I made like 40 and

28:24then um just call business owners and be like what's the most annoying thing you do or like what's the most expensive SAS you use and then make them an app right and be like and try to sell it to them right and you know you decided to I mean we're talking about basically creating basically doing consulting this is essentially consulting you're doing consulting you're just using AI to do consulting and building, but you're doing consulting um vibe consulting um vibe coding and you know, but you've decided not to go and build a SAS and sell it to people, right? Nightmare money pit. So, I want you to I want you to talk about um

29:12because people are I want you to talk about that because people are probably going to there's going to be a lot of people listening to this and be like this is this is small boy stuff, you know? this is a few hundred here, a few thousand dollar there. The real opportunity is building multi-million dollar a year SAS businesses. What do you say to those people? It's a nightmare and it's a money pit. You're going to spend ton of money on marketing. Um I just don't I get that it's an asymmetric bet, but like you got to have the juice to do that, right? Yeah. You have to have the

29:44you have to the reality is you have to know how to juice, right? Like understanding distribution is a completely different skill set than for example building. So if you're one of those people that you think you can build audiences, you can build communities and you're willing to invest in that in yourself but also you know

30:09the time that it's going to take, right? Building an audience is going to take time. Um, right. You're seeing this now. Yeah. And the way my brain works too, maybe yours is like this with doing kind of multiple different types of projects is I think if you're, you know, betting it all on one like app or use case, you get so much tunnel vision and you lose out on the feeling of finishing other apps, uh, learning other libraries, APIs, like you're missing out on a lot of learning, serendipity,

30:42uh, you know, just surface area of luck. So, like the app that I just sold most recently, uh, I I sold to a consultant for a big company, uh, to the big company, but she's like, "This is amazing. Uh, let's turn around and sell this to company B and C because they have the same exact problem. They're in the same industry and I consult with them." Um, so that's awesome. You can do that. If you find a problem, find a I think this is a more direct approach to finding like a burning hot problem uh that you can then resolve to other people. Yeah. I And and that's what

31:16excites me. I got to be real with you, Billy. Like what excites me about this whole approach around going to through Upwork, finding problems, vibe coding your way through it is it gives me ideas around building something that validated that I can go ahead and sell that to other people who have the same exact problem, right? Um, so that's that's what excites it for me cuz I'm I understand how to build distribution and and and how to sell. Frankly, sometimes it's not even about distribution. It's like how to how to take a product and figure out how to go to market. Um, so yeah, that's what

31:57excites me about this whole approach. Yeah. Yeah. And I it's just it's a different lane B2B versus B toC, you know? I I find it's better to work with business owners. I think they're more pleasant than, you know, a bunch of people who are going to be saying like, "Your app broke and you need to do this and blah blah blah." There's one source of truth if you're building apps for a business owner and it's the business owner, right? Well, it's a different So, you can still build a SAS app and target business owners. You know what I mean? So, you could still do I'm thinking like

32:32mobile viral app. You're right. Yeah. Totally viral. Don't do that. And and you can you can build a a SAS app and literally only have 10 clients, right? But maybe it's 10 clients who pay you $1,000 a month. Yep. Um and and that's a that's an, you know, a whole other approach, right? So I think that when people think about building software, they think about maybe it's, you know, the the popular example right now is like Calai. Um and I've had those guys on the podcast. They're doing $30 million a year. So they vibe coded this

33:03and basically, you know, great concept. You know, pancakes, you take a picture of it, how many calories, right? And then they Wait, wait, wait. Can I stop you? Yeah. Great concept. Pancakes. People like pancakes. People don't like calories. Yeah. Oh, this is sick. Right. So, uh, really smart. And they've got like a few of these apps where they're, you know,

33:31again, these aren't trained developers. These are guys um who are like in in their they're teenagers and early 20s who kind of vibe coded their way into into this $30 million a year in revenue. Yeah. Good. Yeah. With a few of their apps. Now, this to me is really cool. Yeah. Um, but I think that this because it's such a distribution challenge is way harder than maybe building a SAS app that targets like the easy here. Okay,

34:08think of it as like a framework, right? The easiest thing you can do is get paid for a service. That's easy mode. Then like the medium thing you can do is build a software for B2B. Yep. And then the hard mode is like building software like this for B TOC. Yeah, that's kind of like how I how I picture it. I I think you're right. Uh I think it just depends on how you define like hard, right? You know, how I defend how I define it

34:38is, you know, likelihood of success. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's how I you know and and likelihood of success with risk with risk, right? Like it's way more risky. um to go build a consumer social app. That's why I like this approach that I'm doing because I can derisk by getting a price up front, right? Yeah. But you don't you derisk but you don't get the you you there's there's you know this business is worth a lot of money. You know what I mean? So um pros and cons with each and for everyone for the listener just think about what excites

35:15you. Does building the Calai excite you? Does building like a SAS app focused on uh a thousands thousands of customers excite you or 10 customers or does doing Upwork MVPs banging it out and doing you know between a hundred,000 and a million dollars a year of revenue um does that excite you with the small team? So everyone needs to figure that out for themselves. I I also just like unbundling existing SAS. I mean, I think that's going to be such a huge market soon. Uh I think you're going to be able to put in like, you know, hrefs.com and then have an AI build you an HRES clone using like

35:56a an API and it's going to be, you know, so much cheaper. Um I think that's an interesting way to find ideas is just looking at a list of SAS or like existing APIs and building apps for them. Yeah. I mean, so go to HS for a sec and then we'll go back to Replet. So, this is a business that does hundreds of millions of dollars a year, I think, in revenue, and it's been around forever, right? Yeah. Forever. Oh, yeah. Uh, for years and years. Are you saying basically there's going to be an opportunity to essentially duplicate

36:35this? Um, oh, it sounds like what you're saying is there's two two opportunities. One is you can duplicate this and make it cheaper or free. And the second thing is when you say unbundle, I think what you mean is target it for a specific niche. Is that correct? So, Hrefs for doctors just, you know. No, no, actually, um, I'm not taking a shot at at hrefs either. Uh, which is struggling to to show me anything. Uh but Hrefs is a it's an SEO uh kind of tool

37:11and all their proprietary data is great. Uh but there's also public APIs that you can just pay to get SEO data from. And so what I mean is like I think in the not so far future you'll be able to paste a SAS into like I don't know you could do it with chat GPT operator maybe um and have it look at the SAS and reverse engineer it and use a public

37:33API. Yeah. To to build it for you, right? Got it. Okay, cool. Does that make sense? It does. It does. Yeah. Um, should we should we head back to our our our baby? Yeah. Okay. Here we go. So, I'm going to preview this full screen. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I mean, look how good this Oh, dude. And it's it's mobile optimized. That's why it was showing that. Oh. Oh man, this is incredible. Like truly. Yeah. Ah. So, we've built this app. Okay. We're seeing I mean this looks like it works. Like um but let's just double check. What do you think an app like this is

38:22worth? Couple thousand bucks. Yeah, definitely. A and to kind of add on to what we were talking about earlier, like the one of the advantages of of doing this is that you can charge for like this is your monster that you've made. So then you can charge for ongoing support and feature requests and be kind of like a dev agency uh for your for your clients, right? I it's not like a novel concept, but um like I don't know,

38:55it worked. It worked. Um, here we go. So, we got a recent inquiry here. Scheduling. Wow. Whoa. Okay. So, it looks like it doesn't have Calendarly. Like, it looks like this is a placeholder. So, this is a tutor. This is going to be a user. Add in. This is so funny. This is so similar to one of my real life clients and they need this. But the thing that is kind of stopping us from building this is data privacy laws for students. We have to figure out how we can be like Uber compliant. Um otherwise everything is like Air Table and Google

39:34Sheets. Love it. Well, this is this is awesome. Yeah. And then what I would do is like I said, if you got time to kill, like if time isn't your constraining factor, make it an MVP. I I I kind of like I think you could just make like a It doesn't even have to do anything. Just make a mockup like landing page or dashboard. You could even just do it in VO. That would be even quicker. Uh as we saw

40:00here. Dude, look how good this looks. So, this one was done in like thought for six seconds. This is probably like a minute. So, what I would do is find the Upwork job, make a mockup in VO, record a one minute loom that says, "I'm Billy. I make apps. I know you wanted it in Air Table, but I made it custom. Flatter them by putting their like company name if you have it in the top left." And

40:27then send the loom. Boom. Rinse repeat. Next one. Uh, it doesn't have to be Upwork. I mean, you could do the phone book, right? Totally. And if you wanted to put this into replet, you talked about that earlier. Yeah. So go into the code. It's got a breakdown of the components here. So I would literally go into my components

40:50here. And what do we have? Dashboard detail inquiry list forms layout. Yeah, I I would just I would put them in here. uh dashboard details and then copy it. It's just like a regular coding IDE. And then I would tell Replet, hey, I made this component. Can you replace the existing component with this one? Or can you replace this page uh with this? Or you could paste in the entire page like at the start like when you're doing that initial prompt with replet. And that's how you can pretty it up. So that's the page and I recommend people do this like it shaten it looks clean but I think adding that

41:38extra polish like it really does make a difference. Yeah, we can go side by side here. They're both solid. They are they are solid. But I I what I do like about the the VZ one is like the bright colors. I I find that like this feels the other one feels sterile. actually for that use case you kind of want a sterile you kind of want a sterile design maybe tutor sync like you don't want it to be like super super like colorful and also Greg the kind of clients I work with do not care for the most part they want it to look clean and

42:16they want it to work most of all right okay fair enough Billy that's fair but you can make it super pretty in VO like if I'm doing like a data viz app definitely go VO for charts And yeah, then I I would send that proposal and then and then sell it. Um, what you do is and I had someone ask like, you know, do people ask for an agreement on who owns the IP, this and that? And no, not not really. And maybe that's like shortsighted of me, but I kind of sign like a standard boilerplate. Um, and only if I'm like, I'm going to use this IP in the future,

42:54like would I add that in. Um I you don't need to get into negotiating like over IP in my opinion with little projects like this. Um and then yeah you can deploy it to a custom um domain name right in replet or you could you know push this to GitHub here push this to GitHub and download it all locally and then just

43:22push it wherever you want to deploy it. Uh you can mix and match, keep the database here. Um they have data buckets on Replet too. Uh if you want to store photos, object storage, uh which is sick. I would say the things that like would make this a lot easier is like just a really simple like preset way to add like Stripe or Google Oath to any um any project. You can do it with prompting though. Yeah. I mean, you got to think that's coming, right? That's got to be coming. Yeah. And one of the cool things about Replet 2 is that when you add in something that needs like an

44:04API key, they can you can choose to store that secret on your account and then use it again. So, you can, you know, it'll know what your Stripe secret is. Love it. All right, Billy. This has been this has been a lot of fun. I I can't thank you enough for taking us through this. Um, we're going to include in the show notes, we're going to include your social links. Um, worth the follow. Um, criminally under underf followed. I think you've got like,900 ex followers. When I started following you last week, I think you had 800. So, you're you're you're you're climbing up, but not fast enough. Yeah. Um, any

44:42anything else uh you want to say? Uh, no. Thank you, Greg. Uh, and go out there and build something. Just vibe code. Make a game. Um, make something cool and and then move on. I would I would move on to the next one. I would just make a ton of apps. That's my advice. And And is doing it on Upwork. I mean, it's it's like you're getting paid to do it, right? You're getting paid to learn, right? Getting paid to learn. I love it. All right, Billy. Thanks so

45:11much and I'll see you around. All right. Peace. Peace.