How to Become a Super Ball with Anthony Scaramucci | Where It Happens

0:00So far, find your phone's way. I'm still trying to get it like every day. Humbleness is hard when you start receiving praise. God feel but some words can never be taken away. Got to do what's best for you to make your life okay. Good morning. Good morning. What's going on? Dude, so Big week.

0:23Got a lot going on. We uh both in the last week became a meme. We became memes. We became memes. And probably a lot of people that are listening to this or watching this saw us something around this, but I wanted to talk about it cuz I thought it was a pretty interesting case study of the new internet in this new age we live in, man. All right, so tell me your meme

0:45story. So, I'm going through the airport and by the way, I'm going to preface this by saying this is a true story. So, I got a lot of flak for this and everyone was giving me [ __ ] saying it was it wasn't true. I'm going to walk you through it. So, I'm going through the airport. I'm at John Wayne Airport in LA. Going to going flying back home. And it was like a week after I dropped that Evergrande thread, the thing the Chinese company where you were giving me crap saying I was the Evergrande guy. So, I'm walking through the TSA checkpoint and the TSA guy is

1:14like talking about Evergrande and I overhear him and my first reaction is like, oh I'm going to chime in here. I'm going to come in and say, yeah, oh yeah, Evergrande interesting story, interesting situation, whatever. And as I'm about to do that, he says, yeah, I read about I read about it on Twitter from this guy Sahil Bloom. And I was like, damn, super cool life moment. Overheard some guy that had seen

1:37about this. Wait, stop there. Best part about that is the Sahil Bloom. I thought it was hilarious. It's also how my name is like so commonly mispronounced. Everybody, that's like the first thing that first way they pronounce it. So anyway, he says it, I grab my bag, I walk away, I don't say anything about it. And then I tweet it out. I like there's a cool life moment

1:56for you. It was like interesting thing. And so I tweeted out and within 30 seconds it is becoming an internet meme. And I've never experienced that, but like everyone over the course of the next 24 hours is tweeting out like the exact same format tweet with their own thing trolling me. And so it was basically like I'm sitting on a plane and I'm flying back and my my internet is just blowing up with people like tweeting at me. Most of it was like good fun. Some of it was not and just like people openly just being mean about it,

2:28but it was kind of a wild situation. How like how viral did it get? Pretty [ __ ] viral. I feel like I saw it everywhere, man. It was everywhere. I mean there were people ran and it was it was so viral that there were random people saying it not citing me as like the original source of it and then people saying like, "Oh, this is a really hilarious thing." And a hilarious way that people

2:46And And did you feel bad? No, cuz I knew it was true. Cuz people were making kind of making fun of you. Yeah, I mean part of me was just like, "I know it's true, so I don't feel bad. I'm just going to wear it." And like if people want to make fun of me for it, it's fine. But dude, I just leaned into it. I basically said like it's fine if people want to make me a meme. I'm going to donate money with it. And so like I got a bunch of new followers from it cuz a lot of people saw my page and like

3:07Ndamukong Suh, the NFL player who we're going to have on in a in an episode in season 1 like came and said he would donate money and match me on whatever. So we ended up donating 10 grand to a charity associated with it. Like I said I would donate a dollar for every new follower I got from becoming a meme. And it was kind of cool. But basically I had to just lean into it cuz the internet is just permanent, man. You can't like run and hide from stuff the way you might have used to be able to where you can just say, "Oh yeah, I'm just going to

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4:19at checkout. Brett, why do you look so tired? I look so tired cuz I did not sleep last night. Have you never slept well, or is this a new thing? It's not that I can't fall asleep. I fall asleep like right away. But, I wake up a couple hours later, and I'm just sitting in my bed, and I look at the ceiling, and I can't fall back asleep, and I don't know what to

4:45do. So, I was literally you. And for the longest time, I was this like hustle culture bro, sleep when I'm dead, didn't want to sleep, didn't care about my sleep. And then I honestly, I started reading more of the research and realizing how impactful sleep is to your longevity, to your health, all of these other things. And as part of that, I found Eight Sleep, which has completely

5:08revolutionized the way I sleep. I've heard of Eight Sleep. Can you tell me more about it? Think of it as like the future of sleep. All of these mattress companies have created these mattresses, they're just stock. They're stock mattresses. Eight Sleep is technology plus sleep combined. So, the whole product is built around optimizing the temperature that you sleep at. And so, you've read about sleeping cold is the key to sleeping, and it's not quite true. Everyone has a different optimal sleep temperature, and it changes throughout the night, which is the crazy part about it. So, you might need really cold to fall asleep, and then you might need it to be a

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5:56energized during the day as a result. Sounds like I need an Eight Sleep. I think everyone needs an Eight Sleep. So, if you're tuning in right now and you want to try out the Eight Sleep to completely change the way you sleep, rest, recover so that you're ready to take on all of life's challenges, check out eightsleep.com/whereithappens to get a discount on your first product. Here's a tip. Don't be like Greg Eisenberg. Be like Sahil

6:20Bloom. I'm with it. There's basically two things you can do, right? You can either lean in or delete. Yeah. And we have a friend who Yeah. he would totally delete it, right? Yeah, he was panicked that whole time. He was texting me being like, "Dude, what are you going to do? This is awful.

6:35Your brand is shot." Right. And I don't know, man. I I just think when when you have something like that, especially if you can stand behind it, just lean into it. That's my life. Can you double-click into that for a bit? Like, why didn't you decide to delete it? Like, were you just like,

6:51"It's true." Yeah, I mean, dude, I don't care. it was true and I didn't think the numbers were that ridiculous, by the way. The thread had gotten like 7 million impressions. I'd gone on TV talking about it. And so, I had actually been around talking about it. So, I actually didn't think it was that low probability of an incident incident to occur, either. And so, I was just like, "I'm just going to stand behind it. It's

7:11real. It is what it is." Want to hear my meme story? Yeah, quick. I'm going to start pouring us drinks while you do that. Okay, while you do that, I posted a thread how, you know, I'm just like obsessed with NFTs and Web3 and I'm I did this thread on why NFTs are the future. And the first day I posted, I'm getting so much love by all

7:31these people I respect. Like, the top people in like the Web3 community are like just sharing it and and and just talking about how it's such a good thread. And I'm feeling really good. I go to sleep at night. The world is beautiful. I wake up in the morning, and I have thousands of replies and retweets and likes on one portion of the thread that is just people memeing it. So, I

7:58just pulled it up. Um 30 and there's actually 3,800 quote retweets, which is basically just people dunking You wake up and there's 3,800 quote retweets. And I was like The tweet was most people who make fun of NFTs don't own don't own NFTs. They've never minted. I remember this. Yeah. They haven't staked their NFTs. They've never earned an NFT playing a game, etc. etc. Like the the basic idea was that like there's a ton of people dunking on

8:30NFTs. They're not in the game. Exactly. I got I got it. I actually didn't understand why it got memed, but you did really become a meme. And our friend, same friend, was freaking out that whole time. I remember that. Yeah, cuz he was So, I was everywhere. Yeah. Um and I, like you, was like, "What do I do?" I I mean, it goes in It's It's only

8:53natural that it goes into your head. You're like, "Should I delete this?" Yeah. But I'm kind of like, "This is what I believe." Yeah. You got to put yourself out there. Yeah. I agree, man. And uh It's a good segue, too, because our guest today, who we're going to have in, has had his fair share of internet trolls and hate. So, he's going to have some interesting perspectives on that as well. Obviously, we've got a little ways that we need to dive into before he comes in, but it'll be fun to talk about

9:20with him. Yeah. Let's So, let's get this drink on and dive right into it. Let's do it. Hudson Whiskey Four Part Harmony Special Edition, man. Hudson like Hudson, New York? Hudson, New York. Okay. Yeah. It's a beautiful bottle. I've never I've never Have you had this? No, I haven't had it. Keep in mind it's 9:00 in the morning right now, so we're really committed to

9:44this whole drinking thing. Oh, it's good. It's sweet. It's sweet, right? It's sweet. It's good. So, what are we talking about today? I want to talk World's Fair. If that works for you. Big World's Fair energy. Uh, I'm into it. I'm into it. So, let's talk World's Fair. I wanted to set the stage for set the stage for this a little bit. Um, so the World's Fair I first read about, I'm curious where you first heard about

10:10it. I first read about the World's Fair in the book, um, Devil in the White City is the name of the book. Um, Erik Larson, one of my favorite authors actually, he's amazing. It's like narrative non-fiction is his is his archetype. And Devil in the White City is about really about the first serial killer in history effectively. And it's a true story, based on a true story, but it's based at the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. I think it was called the Columbian Exposition then, but it's it's the World's Fair. And the whole thing with the World's Fair is like a gathering of the entire world culturally, industrially, etc. You bring

10:47people together and share all the amazing things, progress that's happening. And I think it started in like the late 1700s. I think it was in Bohemia in Prague they did the first one. And over the course of history it's become this big way that basically countries went and flexed on whatever their progress was. And so it was like, you know, early days you'd go and flex on some industrial progress. Like at at the 1893 one in Chicago, the Ferris wheel, the first Ferris wheel was like the massive thing. People showed up and there was this enormous circle there that people didn't understand. And you can imagine the

11:23first time you see a Ferris wheel, that's bananas to go and see that. And go and you're going to get into a thing that's going around this 200-ft circle, that seems ridiculous. And so, people would use it these countries would use it to flex on their progress and it was people and it was also countries and it

11:39was it was like a romantic aspect to it. You would go and there was people from different cultures and they would do dances and it was like this amazing amazing thing. And for a lot of history it was like the one time per each year every few years where the world would actually come together. It was like an intellectual Olympics like cultural intellectual Olympics sort of rather than be sports it was people coming

12:00together. Okay. So, you know about this guy cuz we've talked about this, but there is someone out there today who is pitching the idea of bringing back the world's fair. Basically Making a new world's fair, right? Yeah. Cuz doesn't the world's fair already exist like it it still happens. There was one in Dubai recently.

12:21Right now. Right now. So, so Dubai was supposed to have the 2020 World Expo. I think they were calling it. It was this massive thing. COVID obviously got in the way of that. So, now they're doing I think it's it's still called 2020 World Expo, but it's Dubai 20 2021 through 2022. But the whole idea is like 6 months extravaganza. People come in. It's this huge economic boom etc. So, we recently got pitched on um the idea of the new world's fair. Bringing it back. Bring back the world's fair. Go and do it bigger better than it's ever been

12:53before. And I want to talk about it because I think it's interesting. Okay, so let's talk about it. Okay. Hit me. What do you think? I mean, so I've known about the world's fair my whole life because growing up in Montreal, the world's fair it was called Expo 67. Yep. It was a big deal. And I actually The Montreal Expos by the way, the baseball team baseball guy so I got to say it. Montreal Expos named after Expo

13:24whatever that was. 67. Yeah, 67. That's how they got their name. So, everyone in the city everyone in the city knows about, you know, how important the Expo is where you can go out on the street and just be like, "What is the World's Fair? What is an Expo?" And people will tell you. Is that like the moon landing for Canadians? It's like everyone knows where they were when the moon landing happened in the US. Is that like, "Where

13:45were you when 67 Expo happened?" Pretty pretty much. So, recently I actually went to I don't know if I told you this, but I went to a hotel in Montreal and it was World's Fair themed. Hmm. And you walked in this hotel and everything like all the walls had like things about the World's Fair. All the rooms uh like were were unique and different and they all had like you were maybe in like the Chinese room or the Japanese room or different all that sort of thing. And you put on the TV and there's like you know, you don't get like CNN or or CBS. You get like videos old school

14:23videos of the World's Fair. Yeah. And I actually learned about like I watched this like I turned on the TV and I watched the making of the World's Fair and it was just in Montreal and it was this beautiful moment where I think like in 1963 they were like, "We want to do this World's Fair." Um and they built an island in four in four years and they did the impossible. It's a story about how they did the impossible and how all of Canada came together to make it happen. It's just a

14:50beautiful story. It's very romantic. It's very romantic and I think like the more that's that's the common thread of all of um Expo stories or or World's Fair stories is that it's the coming it's the coming together of people and it's the showcasing of these different cultures. Yeah. And there's a lot of nostalgia for that.

15:11Yeah. So, on one hand I love the idea around like showcasing cultures promoting other cultures, bringing people together, experiential stuff. Like I think there's a huge business opportunity there. Like I'm sure you've seen like Museum of Ice Cream and stuff like that. Um but on a bigger scale. Yeah. Um on the other hand like isn't the internet that? Like isn't the internet where you like go and like showcase stuff? Like if I'm coming out with a new product, I don't like I don't need to

15:46showcase it at like a physical event. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like That's kind of the bearish case for this. Yeah, I mean I have a lot of thoughts here. So basically, look, I I think this is either There's something I really like about it. I love the aspect of nostalgia. I love the aspect of bringing people

16:06together. I think the cultural blending. I think it's amazing. And a lot of cool things happen when you bring a lot of people together. Cool businesses I business ideas get formed. There's intermingling of thoughts. I mean amazing things can happen at something like this. But it's got big Fire Festival vibes, too. Like this this whole idea feels a little bit like, "Okay, we're bringing 50 million people together. We're going to Yeah, it's like events are not easy to do." I don't I mean I know a lot of people who try to do events. Our guest today has one of the most successful

16:34event businesses in the world. I mean, it's really hard to do. There's a lot of little nuances to doing something like this. It's not just like, "Oh yeah, slap an idea on a page. We're going to go create this massive event. 50 million people are going to come. We're going to make 20 billion dollars in the first run." And to give him credit, I mean this guy is clearly selling a really cool story and vision and ambition. And it is romantic and it brings up nostalgia. He's raised a bunch of money. There's real people that are coming on to it. So I'm either like in love with the idea and I want to just be

17:04a part of it cuz I think it's going to be really cool. Or I think it's just like the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. There's no middle ground for me on this and I don't know where I'm landing on it. I think like what's smart about what he's doing is like he he picked a business idea or startup idea that like is cult like there's a lot of connection culturally. You know what I mean? Like he's not and in those types of businesses you can raise tons of money because like you're pitching let's say people like me like you know, I brought this this is an

17:35ashtray. It's an ashtray from the Expo World Fair 1967 in Montreal. And like people like me I know I get pitched on it and it's like yeah like you know, maybe I would invest. Maybe I want to see a new World Fair, you know, and I think like um there's do you like from an actual business

17:55standpoint? Starting and running something like this is insanely complicated. It's it's not like a lot of business ideas we talk about here and some of the things we've talked about in our first shows you could go spin up in a weekend like an MVP for this. There's no Doing a 50 million person event like even if it's 1/10 of that a 5 million person event is a ridiculous undertaking and it needs to involve governments and it needs to involve all the municipalities. Like if you're going to do all these pavilions there's all the building involved. I mean there's like a crazy crazy um bunch of coordination that has to

18:31happen in order to make this work. And so like that's the part where I just like I guess I can't understand the idea because it's so hard to actually execute something like this at a grand scale in a good way. I mean like Billy McFarland, right? Great at Fyre Festival was a great idea. I would give him credit for it. He's a like fraudster and uh you know, did a lot of things that are really bad. But the idea of it if he had executed it

18:55would have been dope. Here's what I would do if I was the world the new World Fair guy. Go for it. So I wouldn't raise a lot of money and like go and build a bunch of events from the get-go. I would think about how can I build it like how can I do community first, internet first,

19:14Mhm. validate the demand, and then build it events. Mhm. Cuz like right now what he's going to do is like he's going to have to go work with cities, he's going to have to get space, he's going to have to like get vendors, he's going to have to coordinate. It's a lot of stuff. Yeah. I would, you know, if I was him, I would kind of just build, you know, start with Discord, start with Facebook groups, start, you know, start with like no-code solutions, build it out, build the demand, and then go to like the city of

19:41Yeah. you know, Miami and be like, "Hey, I have a million people Yeah. who are interested in this thing, and there's like a lot of like real digital activity. Mhm. Let's translate that into like the physical." I like this a lot, the way you're thinking about it. It reminds me Do Have I ever talked to you about the um the mental model like the map is not the territory? Have I ever talked to you

20:01about this? No. So, this is this whole idea that you are fun- fundamentally, the map what it's supposed to be a representation of the territory that you're looking at. And the more you abstract the territory into a map, the worse it is, like the lower fidelity the map is. And so, if you have, you know, a massive stretch of land, and you're trying to create it into like this tiny map, it's going to be a pretty crappy map, cuz you're trying to boil down this massive piece of territory that's very complicated into something very simple. We all create maps. Like maps are mental models you're going around the world, you're

20:33trying to create different maps of everything you're looking at. And the challenge is when you're using a map that actually doesn't match the thing that you're going and trying to create and do. And I think this is a perfect example of where that can come into play, which is basically to say he has created a map based on what the World's Fair is, and it's based on what the past looked like. So, what World's Fairs looked like in 1893, The Devil in the White City in Chicago, this amazing hundreds of pavilions, etc. Um and he's using that to play out how you should pursue and build everything. When the reality of

21:09what you're hitting on is that maybe the World's Fair of 2025, 2030 looks a whole lot different than what it looked like in the past. maybe certain like certainly. Certainly. Yeah. And the pursuit of building it looks a lot different than what it would have looked like in 1893 or in 1950 or whatever year it was. Maybe it doesn't have to be like physical at all to your point. Maybe you end up building a digital World's Fair where people can come together because how many people The thing that I push back on with all of this is there aren't that many people that are going to be able to or have the means to

21:43travel to these things. And in a digital world, one of the most exciting trends that's happening is that we're breaking down the barriers to anybody having access to these amazing cultural and intellectual experiences and learning experiences. And so if you could build a World's Fair like if his idea um can become the genesis of either him or someone else building something really unique that becomes like a hybrid physical digital World's Fair like experience, that's pretty darn cool to

22:09me. I think he he hit on a really smart insight around like people want to connect. Countries want to show off their, you know, their stuff and I think that there probably is space for something like this. But I think what we're saying, it sounds like what we're saying is maybe like the entry point

22:28Yeah. is kind of a bit of a miss. Yeah. And and maybe he's changed and like maybe he he's he's going digital first. I mean, I love the ambition. I I I love the vibe that he's putting off, raising money for it. about things we love about this and things we hate about it.

22:43Yeah. things we love, you know, what do you got? I love the ambition. I think it's a huge idea which I think is really cool. And if you're going to go build something, you might as well build something big. I think I can think like Steve Schwarzman, the Blackstone guy, talks about that where like it's just as much effort to start something small as it is to start something big, so you might as well go big. And this guy is clearly going pretty big as he talks about the idea,

23:04and I love that. just edit that for a second? So, I I totally agree with that sentiment, but you don't need it you you're your MVP doesn't need to go big, right? A minimal viable product doesn't need to go big. Your vision could go big go big, but the entry point needs to be covert. It needs to be tactical. It needs to be super

23:26smart. It needs to be intentional. And you need to test on the way to your point. Like I just don't know if there's 50 million people that would want to go to a World's Fair today. Right. So, is that your bearish is that your kind of bearish hat? Like No, I'm my bearish hat is this can't do it. This is so hard. I just think there's so many nuances to doing an event business. I mean we we like again, we'll we'll talk to our guest when he comes in and talk about the nuances of running a an event business, but there's just a lot that has to get coordinated

23:52around it. And when you're talking about on the scale that he's talking about, you have to involve national governments, municipal governments. I mean it's everybody. It's insane. What What do you think happens to this business in 15 years? What's your What's your prediction? My prediction would be it gets boiled down to something more manageable and doable. And that Like I I think his ambition and his energy is amazing, and I never like to bet against people that have good energy. So, I would guess he ends up getting something spun up that

24:20works. Yeah, that's that's that's my vibe with it, too. Is it's rare you meet people who have like that ambition and like I think it he was able to raise a lot. Yeah. Um It's not a venture bet. Like I just I don't understand it as a venture investment, though. I really don't. I just I'm like I don't know what what's the valuation of a

24:41Right. he's pitching it like it's $20 billion revenue. I don't know. Like Dubai World Expo is supposed to generate I saw some projection this morning when I was looking this up like $20 billion for the Dubai government. It's just I like how can that possibly How can you project anything out? I think my prediction is he zigs and he zags.

25:01Yeah. And he, you know, he kind of Trojan horses his way in. Yeah. And he makes something happen. Yeah. He seems like the type of guy that can do some zigging and zagging and make it work, man. And and like and I'm all for that. I love people that do this kind of stuff. So, I I feel like we're at a good spot on it. I want to bring in our guest and get his perspectives because he's actually built and businesses and he's actually done the nuances and the details of trying to build something like this out and he'll have a lot more interesting and informed

25:32perspectives than we will on it. So, Anthony has a really long career. He's done a bunch of stuff. He was the founder of SkyBridge, which is one of the most successful fund of funds in the world, has done a lot in crypto recently, as you know, very very cool. Um also the founder of SALT, which is one of the biggest conferences in the world within the financial world in particular, has been very successful, but as we all know, he's most well-known for his 10-day stint as White House head of communications under the Trump administration, was famously forced out of that position, and has been a active

26:04critic of of our former president since then. So, really excited to have him in. He's very opinionated and a lot of fun to be around, as both of us know. Uh so, very excited to welcome into the Room Where It Happens our friend Anthony Scaramucci, the Mooch. Do you mind being called the Mooch?

26:19me the Mooch. You like that? Just so everybody knows, it's 7:00 a.m. These guys are already drinking, okay? Yeah. So, yeah, that's what we're That's what we're known for. So, So, we were talking before you came in about the World's Fair. And there's a young man, I don't know if he's even a young man, he's probably 30, going around raising millions of dollars right now to try to bring back and rebuild the World's Fair. But you've actually done this [ __ ] Like you've gone, you built SALT, one of the most successful financial conferences conferences in general in the world, and you built it from the ground up. Can you just talk

26:50about like is this Is it possible? What do you think? Well, your generation is your age, I'm assuming or younger. I would never doubt anybody in your generation. I think you guys have uh balls, courage, conviction. Uh you're more mature than my generation. I think we had more fun, by the way. I I like being the oldest person in the room because I walk in, I'm like, "Okay, I definitely had more fun than these guys in college because you're not allowed to talk to people anymore. Everything's politically correct. You get ended up getting

27:22canceled for saying something stupid." That didn't happen to us, okay? We were all reckless and totally fine, and there was no social media. So, there was no record of me being an idiot. It just happened to be a full-on idiot. So, When was that? The '80s? Yeah, that was in the '80s, yeah. Yeah, let's not go too far. What was it? Right, exactly. It was in the '60s, Bloom. Okay, but but here's what I would say, um a project like that is probably

27:46different from a conference, right? Because now you're talking about global exhibition, and you're talking about figuring out a way to get at least a 15 or 20 industrial nations involved, and so you're creating a mini Epcot. Yeah. And so, that is a massive undertaking. Having said that, if he can raise some money, and he can get the ball rolling, and if he's smart enough to do what somebody like a Jeff Bezos did, which is delegate, farm out, create a uh collaboration with a group of people, it's not impossible. And he could probably get it done. The number one number one thing I tell people is you

28:23can't do everything yourself. But if you got a team, you got a really good group of people, and you're willing to collaborate, you can get unbelievable amounts done. And in my organizations that I've run, people work with me, they don't work for me. See the distinction? It's very important because if you're working with me, you're now empowered,

28:42you're my partner, we're collaborating. If you're working for me, and you have that ordinance structure, it can be limiting and then sometimes it can be suffocating. So, I don't know the guy, um but he could be he could be on to something and he could pull it off. You want to talk to him? You want to

28:57invest? Uh No, I don't want to invest, but I'd definitely talk to him. I like mentoring people. Yeah. What advice would you give him? You know, he's just starting out, he's raised a bit of money, he's got, you know, great ambitions. Well, look, I mean, it's on the world's fair a lot of places. They did it in

29:12Knoxville, they did it in Seattle. Have you ever been to one? The one that I went to in 1964, I was just my dad I was in the stroller with by my mom and dad, okay, out here in Queens. Those people are probably, uh long gone in terms of those planners, but I would go to the most recent ones. And I would identify people that have planned this thing before and get them in the loop. You know, we were talking about the SALT conference, I'll take you

29:36back to 2009. Every major investment bank was leaving Las Vegas because of the TARP money. And so, what was that? The government gave all the banks money to help defend their balance sheets during the crisis. And so, they all felt compelled to cancel any highfalutin conferences cuz they didn't want to be seen spending the government's money in a place like Las

29:57Vegas. President Obama didn't do it on purpose, but he was like, "Hey, now is not the time to go to Las Vegas." And so, all these guys canceled and here I am as a small-time entrepreneur seeing that opportunity. So, I go, "Wait a minute, you know, we shouldn't be giving up all of our conferences. I'm a smaller

30:14company. I didn't receive TARP money. I'm going to put a stake in the ground and fill that vacuum." But, I couldn't do it on my own. So, I called the mayor of Las Vegas, I called Steve Wynn, I, you know, went to people that have built conferences before, Michael Milken, my first keynote speaker. And so, I would

30:32tell him, you got to think like that. You've got to You got a great idea, but you're not going to be able to do everything. Find people that can help you do the things that you need to do. What do you think? I mean you built something incredible with Salt. You just ran. I know your most recent one was in person, which was a huge um thing for New York to bring that back and do something in person. I know people were really excited about it. It was a great event, by the way. I really

30:57enjoyed it. Thank you. Um what do you think the future of these events looks like post COVID? Do you think it's going to come back and all be in person or do you think it's going to be some kind of digital hybrid experience? Well, I think it's coming Yeah, I think we need each other. I think we need the physicality. We're social organization, uh social organism, if you will. And I also think that one of our problems is that we're we're always tied into a screen. And so we're always here and we're interacting with each other here over Zoom. And so we're losing that physical connection. So I actually think

31:31the conferences are going to be bigger and weirdly better because it's like a concentrated dose of human personal contact. Um in the case of our conference, we did it at the Javits Center. We ran those air conditioners and those HEPA filters overtime. We paid the money to do that. Very high ceilings. Scott Gottlieb, a friend of mine, who's the former FDA commissioner, came in and gave me a safety protocol, which we followed. We had a vaccine mandate,

32:00which I feel very, very strongly about. And as a result of which we had little to no breakthrough COVID. Uh and people could wear masks or not wear masks cuz that was the health guidance. And of course we had big outdoor spaces for networking. So it worked. I think people were happy. You were there. People enjoyed it. So I think we're going back to that. I think as we start to normalize and this pandemic becomes

32:23an endemic situation which is treatable. I had the opportunity to go to the Damon Runyon Cancer Research Foundation breakfast this morning. Ken Frazier was being honored, the the CEO of Merck. And we had a chance to connect before the breakfast talking about these antiviral therapies that are coming. Uh it's going to be very promising for us. You know, that's why the future is always bright. It's people like you guys

32:49that are going to be running the future. But you don't want to think linearly about our society. You can get very pessimistic. You want to think exponentially about our society. Uh and that's where you get very optimistic about technology and things we can do to solve our problems. It leads to something really interesting cuz one of the things I've been most impressed about you as I've learned more about you and as we've gotten to know each other and become friends is you're someone that's come from a different generation. You've built in multiple generations, different businesses. And yet you've been such a massive proponent recently, especially of cryptocurrencies

33:24and of Bitcoin and of Web3 and you're supporting it, investing in it with SkyBridge, and doing all these other things. How did that happen? Like where where where where did you come from on that and what got you so excited about the exponential potential? So, I have kids your ages, okay? They are pains in the ass. I will tell

33:40you that, okay? I'm not a pain in the ass. Why not? I don't know you well enough. I'll judge that after the podcast is over or then I think you're a pain in the ass. But But here's what Here's what happens. You have to make a generational decision. So, I can remember my parents thinking that we were naive, large generation gap, they

34:03couldn't learn anything from me. And by the way, I couldn't learn anything from them. And I think that is a very big mistake that generations make. You know, you guys are in the future and you guys are doing things that I have not experienced. You know, when you got to college, there were computers. You know, when I was in college, we have not There

34:22were no computers. We had a mainframe. You had to sign up for it. And I had to go and wait to get on a terminal that was hooked into a digital equipment mainframe. And so if I was typing up a report, I had to send it to the mainframe, and then someone would print

34:37it out for me the next day. Okay, that That's how I grew up. That's just a frame of reference. So, um but I have life experience. I've been through market cycles. I think people your age could learn from me in terms of that perspective. You know, Bitcoin is at an all-time high this morning as we're speaking, but it could crash by 50%. How do you weather those storms? How do you think about it? So, I think my generation can offer that perspective. So, I want you guys to be open-minded to listen to that. But the flip side, I've got to listen to you guys. I got to

35:08listen to what you're working on, whether it's programmable biology, the blockchain, cryptocurrency, uh things that could be related to the ecology of the planet. Uh we both all three of us know that the planet is not doing well. Uh if you look at the diagnostics of the planet, the carbon emission, the fires, the pollution in some of the big cities like Beijing is an example. We We We don't need to be debating whether or not we're hurting the planet anymore. I don't think. I think we've litigated that. We're hurting the planet. We have to figure out how to solve for that. And so, your generation, I think, is going to come up

35:43with those ideas, those innovations. I've got to be listening to that. And so, you know, what's interesting about my son, AJ, went to Stanford Business School, Yeah. bright kid, running a venture fund. He's a crypto skeptic. Uh-huh. He's not the crypto bull. Okay, one of his partners happens to be a crypto bull. Uh but what got me into it is speaking with guys like Anthony Pompliano,

36:05Uh-huh. uh taking the time to understand it. Uh one of my intellectual men- mentors is a guy named Charlie Munger. Who's that? He's 97 years old. He says that Bitcoin is the worst thing that's ever happened to civilization. Rat poison squared. We've had holocaust, we've had earthquakes, but Bitcoin, we've had atom bombs go off, but Bitcoin's the worst

36:24thing that's happened to civilization. And it's surprising to me because when you learn about his life, he was a lawyer, went to Harvard Law School, looked up to him, I still look up to him. But what did he say? Know the other side of the argument better than your own argument. And so I have found that anybody that studies the blockchain, studies Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, a guy like Ray Dalio, brilliant guy, a Bitcoin skeptic, studies it, he buys Bitcoin. Paul Tudor Jones, a skeptic, studies it, buys

36:54Bitcoin. And I can I can name 10 or 12 of these people. So once I started to understand it, I said, "Okay, well, wait a minute. This is a technological delayering mechanism for our society. We can take the middle men, the middle women out of our transactions, and we can start transacting peer-to-peer. And it has unbelievable long-term ramifications. The blockchain is going to allow us to trust each other without knowing each other. We don't have to go through a JP Morgan, or you pick a firm, a Wells Fargo, whoever. We can go to each other over the blockchain. And I want you to think about the

37:36eco-friendliness of that, the efficiencies that that will create, and it'll free us up to do other things in a society. So So for me, once I got that, once I understood it, and I had this conversation with Michael Saylor yesterday, he's become a very good friend of mine, is I'm like, "Okay, I'm not long enough. Okay, how do I get more

37:54long this?" And then of course I'm dealing with my generation, which are pooh-poohing it, and they're all institutionalists, and they don't want to be embarrassed by being wrong. As you guys know, I've been fired from the White House, I got fired from Goldman Sachs, I've been torched in business. I don't mind being wrong, okay? I'm like a human crash dummy. I have no problem being wrong. And what I would encourage your generation to do is take risks,

38:20hit the pavement, and be a super ball. You don't want to be Superball. bone china. Okay, you don't want to be the guy that went to Stanford is like, "Oh my god, I went to Stanford, so therefore I can't fail." Mhm. I've got to do everything perfectly and I got to please my parents and I have my career arc got to be a 45° angle. Take

38:38risks. Love that. Be willing to fail. Because if you're willing to fail, then you can get exposure to Bitcoin. I've got buddies of mine that are like, "Man, I I I hear what you're saying, but I can't be embarrassed if I'm wrong." "Well, what do you mean?" "Well, if I put 3% of my portfolio in Bitcoin at $8,000 a coin and it goes to zero, now I've embarrassed myself. I got huckstered and

38:58it was a con." Uh uh but I'm not at that guy. I I'm willing to take that risk uh because I see what you guys see in the future. Yeah. And I think we're all going to be right about it and and but even if I'm wrong about it, I have it sized in my portfolio from an allocation perspective where I think it's going to be fine. And and I have to deal with now

39:20clients of mine that that hate Bitcoin. So, I created a ETF called CRPT. It's got unbelievable correlation to Bitcoin, but it's in Coinbase, MicroStrategy, Marathon Digital. You see what I mean? So, now I can go to my fuddy-duddies, these old farts that I have to deal with and say, "Okay, you don't want to buy the Bitcoin, but how about these companies that are growing

39:41at 50% a year?" It's equivocating. It's good. It's smart. Yeah, you have to be flexible. Be flexible. Neuroly plastic. You hit on something. I mean, the the superball thing, I've never heard it referenced that way and I think it's amazing. You're someone who you've learned how to take a punch really, really well and Yeah, I've got I've got a lot of

39:59practice but you learn a lot of times. But like, there's something amazing in that and it's probably one of the biggest signals of someone that's going to be successful is the ability to take a punch, gather yourself, pivot, and still fight back after that. Well, what taught you that? Like, what what one in your life Remember, I I grew up in a blue-collar family, okay? I I you know, my father didn't give me a lot of advice because he was wearing a green uniform when he went to work. Uh he was loaded with grease when he came home. And uh he got he got up at 4:30 in the morning. I can

40:27remember my mother putting his lunch pail in the refrigerator at 9:30 at night. He came home at 3:30. I mean, God forbid you weren't at that dinner table at 5:15. You got your ass kicked by him. And but if you were in sports, then it was okay. But if you weren't in sports, you had to

40:42be sitting at the table with him. And he was a hard guy. He was a very honest guy. Uh and he couldn't give me a lot of advice, but he said to me something that I'll share with you and you should think about. When I got my job at Goldman, okay? So, I I graduated from Harvard Law

40:56School. My parents think it's Hartford Law School. I mean, they have no idea. They They They're like They want to take me to Hartford, Connecticut. I'm like, "Mom, it's Har- Harvard Law School. Why the hell would they call it Hartford Law School if it's not in Hartford?" It's It's not called Hartford Law School, all right? It's like in

41:11Everybody Loves Raymond sitcom, right? Right. So, I'm coming out of school. I got my job at Goldman. I'm buying myself some suits. And my father says to me, "I want you to never complain about your job." And I said, "What do you mean?" He goes, "Just remember something about your job. You're indoors. Mhm.

41:30You're out of direct sunlight. And there's no heavy lifting. Okay? I just want you to think about it for a second. My dad spent 42 years on a crane. Hot and cold weather. Uh working the crane. Crane broke down. You got to get out of the cabin, fix the crane. He did that for 42 years. And so, here I am blessed with

41:48this opportunity to wear a suit. You guys dress like [ __ ] by the way. We'll talk about that on our fashion podcast. I can't believe the way you You're watching a a fashion podcast. the way your generation dresses. It's like unbelievable to me, but that's fine. These are the billionaires of the today's podcast. I'm the popper, but

42:04it's fine. But I just want you to think about that. So, my expectations were here. Okay? So, when you get hit and you watch your father get up in the morning at 3:30, you're like, "Okay, this is no big deal. Okay, I just got fired. Big [ __ ] deal. Let me dust off and get back to work. Oh, I'm getting fired from Goldman? Okay, fine. Let me go find another job." Turns out I found

42:25a job at Goldman. Right? So, this is another funny part of my life. They gave me an $11,000 severance check. They fired me on February 1st, 1991. I'm looking for a job. I get a job offer back at Goldman. The personnel director, she's a lovely person. She's like, "Can we We're going to mark you down as interdepartmental transfer. You'll never

42:45have to tell anybody that you got fired. Can we get the $11,000 check back?" I'm like, "No way. I need the money. I'm I'm paying off school debt. I said, "You can tell the whole planet I got fired. I don't give a shit." You see what I'm saying? I mean, why would you give a [ __ ] right? So, now I'm back at Goldman working and I realize that I got to start my own business cuz I don't fit into their culture. I don't have the right personality. And that's another big lesson for your listeners is don't conform. You don't want to be a conformist, okay? Cuz your life will

43:14suck. Every day will be dread and every day will be work. And so, you got to figure out who you are and be who you are and be comfortable in your own skin. And so, I realized that I couldn't be there and so, I wrote down in my book if I can pay off my school debt, the day after I'm leaving Goldman Sachs to create my own business. So, I paid my debt off in May of 1996 at the age of 32. I left Goldman Sachs on December 1st

43:38at the end of their fiscal year. So, low expectations, accept failure, be willing to pivot. You got to have a sense of humor. When you get your ass fired from the White House and they're lighting you up on Saturday Night Live and you run into Lorne Michaels at the Met Yankee game, you know, you say, "Hey, well a little more hairspray, please. Okay,

43:57the tie wasn't tight enough." Right? What were you going to say? You got to roll with It's the exact thing we were talking about at the beginning of the show. You got to lean into it. Like, stuff happens in your life. You get embarrassed. Stuff happens. You got going it. said, "Do you think you're going to last a long time in the White House?" I said, "Longer than a carton of milk in the refrigerator." I didn't think it was

44:13going to get blown out like that. Do you think Do you think our generation is softer? No, I think your generation is self-conscious. I don't not softer. No, you got very tough Remember, I've been on troop support missions to Iraq and Afghanistan. You got some killers in your generation. I don't I don't think they're softer. There's a layer of your generation that might be a little entitled where they have high

44:36expectations. Um but there's self-consciousness that you have to do away with. So, in other words, I'm going to start this company, I'm going to go to the cocktail party, I got to be able to brag about the success of the company, and I've got everything figured out. I got to tell everybody that. That, I think, is a weakness. That's not

44:53a strength. A strength is telling people authentically what's going on in your life because the minute you can turn to that and you can express your vulnerability, people start trusting you. They say, "Well, how are you doing?" You say, "Well, look, this is how I'm doing. You know, we just had a setback here. I tried to launch the website, it blew up." All of a sudden, someone will look at you and say,

45:12"This is a real guy." You know, because everybody's dealing with that. Everybody's got problems. And when you're trying to gloss over your situation or paint a perfect picture, to me, that's a sign of insecurity. Mhm. So, I know. I think you got very tough people in your gen- I'm very impressed with your generation. I have high hopes for your generation that frankly are going to solve a lot of the problems that my generation caused. You know, we were nihilists, smoking pot, they're

45:40going to Woodstock, they're buying BMWs. People are still smoking pot. Of course they are, but I'm saying they're go- they're going they're going to Woodstock, they then they're driving around in BMWs with yellow ties in the '80s, they're having a pissing match on each other in the politics, you know, you you know, it's not enough for me to be 100% right, I have to beat your

45:55brains in on cable television. And that's hurting the country. We have to figure out a way to focus not on left or right, but what's right or wrong. That's why I love reading your stuff because you're looking at it from a heuristic perspective. You're looking at it from a clinical perspective. What's going to make somebody successful? What's going to make a kid motivated to read and write? Uh let's focus on things like that. Let's not focus on the politics and the unions and all this stuff. How do we get a kid and give him a platform of equal opportunity. I'm all about unequal outcomes. I want you guys to

46:31both shoot yourselves into space in your own rockets, okay? Like Bezos. God bless. If you can create public good and make that level of public profit and you want to shoot yourself into space in a rocket, you know, go for it. Bring Captain Kirk with you, okay? But but we have to have equal

46:48opportunity. You know, we have to have a platform of equal opportunity. So, if I'm born in Harlem or if I'm born in inner city and, you know, maybe my parents haven't figured it out, is there's something in our society that can help me figure it out? I grew up with a modest amount of money in a middle-class environment, but they were strong people and they were hitting me to go study and they they

47:10wanted us to go to college. They didn't know what [ __ ] college it was, but they wanted us to go, okay? And we have to do that for our our young people. And you guys are going to figure that out. I have high hopes. You guys this tech these technologies are going to allow for brilliant educators to enter everybody's classroom if our politics and our policies and how we deal with unions and all this other stuff allow that to happen. And that would be

47:38transformative. Be very good. Yeah, I think that's what I mean, if I were to have a takeaway from it, I think that's what I find so exciting about Web 3 and about cryptocurrencies is that it's not the rich kid that grew up and went to Goldman and, you know, has been a MD at Goldman for the last 20 years that's

47:56getting rich off of this. It's anybody. I mean, there's a a massive generational transfer of wealth that's happening right now and the incumbents don't like it. Insiders don't love the fact that anybody can get onto these on rails and operate in the system, but it's such a cool thing. Some Some of the incumbents.

48:12Yeah. Some of these guys would say I would say all of them. You know, listen, I I love it. You know, I'm I'm a product of a blue collar family. I want But you're a little different. I want the society to be flatter. I want I want good things I was with uh You didn't grow up in a country club culture though going and playing golf on the weekends. You've made yourself into

48:30what you are. That's one of my best stories. Now, we make ourselves into what we are. You never do it on your own. Trust me. You need mentors and professors and you need uh parents and you need siblings. When somebody tells me they're self-made and I did it all on my own, I'm like, "Okay, it's not possible. Not in our society, right?" But I'll tell you guys a funny

48:49story. I'm at the Charles Hotel. Boston? In Boston. Uh they Goldman Sachs has set up an interview room and I walk in there and this is the '80s. I'm in 100% polyester, okay? I got I got a polyester black suit. Okay? I'm like a young funeral director. I'm just setting the scene, okay? I got a polyester

49:11shirt. Okay, I'm literally glowing. I mean, this [ __ ] can come out of the dryer. You don't even have to bring it to the dry cleaner, right? I got a black Guido tie and I'm wearing these Capezio dance shoes. We used to call them cockroach killers cuz they had points on them. You could kill cockroaches in the corners,

49:25okay? And I got them laced up. My hair's blown back but like Tony Manero from Saturday Night Live and I'm in the interview and there's two guys sitting there like you guys are and they're asking me questions about the TED spread and the euro swap and the petrodollar and I'm hitting every question and and they've got and and the one guy gets up, he says, "Can I

49:44Can I see you for a sec?" I said, "Yeah." He says, "Man, I got to tell you, you're a smart kid. You were the worst-dressed person that we've ever met at the Harvard Law School. What are you doing in this outfit? And I looked at him like I thought I looked great. I mean I had no idea, okay? And I I said, "Well, this is my

50:01best clothing." He said, "Okay, listen to me. I I can't bring you to Goldman Sachs dressed like this. You got to go to Brooks Brothers or J. Press. Go buy yourself some like natural fiber clothing, okay? You I was literally fully flammable for my first Goldman Sachs interview, okay? And why am I telling you this? Because

50:18it's a rite of passage. You know, you don't go from my neighborhood with my family members, never hitting a golf ball, never swinging a tennis racket, never seen the inside of a country club, never seen the inside of an office building, and it's easy. You know, you go and you have tremors of embarrassment and self-consciousness and doubt as you're trying to find your way

50:43and try to try to make that transition. So, anyway, you know, that's why I think you guys are dressed like [ __ ] We're not flammable. We're natural fiber. It's probably a sign of intelligence though that like I'm dressed like this all cramped in my suit, 10 lbs heavier than I need to be, and you guys are dressed comfortably and casually. It's

51:05probably a sign of intelligence. I'm going to have to put on a suit later. Yeah. I got to I got to do something. I got to look nice. That's another big thing for me like if you're going to be on TV, generations watch television. Young and old. And older people like seeing people in suits. They they they they don't they

51:22get turned off by the other stuff. I like looking nice. My my profile picture on Twitter is still me in a suit. Be you. Be you. What's going on with the hair though? Honestly, I know you like looking nice, but what is this whole thing with the floof and like spraying it Palo Alto energy. Big Palo Alto energy.

51:39Yeah. You put [ __ ] in your hair and it looks like that. I woke up like this. You just woke up like that. I see. And believe it or not, that's $600 right there. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. $600 to do that. You know. I come from modest means. I am. I'm impressed. Yeah.

51:54I'm impressed. So, I know we're um I know we're up against it at the time, so. Low expectations, high performance. That'll get you a long way. Low expectations. Yeah. The world doesn't owe you anything. Yeah. Okay, you got to make it happen. What I yeah, but I what I'm hearing you say is also the mentality, you know,

52:13your mindset is so so important. And almost like your mindset is the difference between 100% Yeah. Yeah. I also think I mean, my biggest takeaway from from some of the stuff you're saying too is you can't do it on your own. Can't do it on your You said it as it relates to the world's

52:27fair. If you you know, what did Ben Franklin say? If you want to make a friend, ask a stranger for a favor. Right. That's how you make a friend. The beauty is that you can do that. Yeah, I wrote about this once. Yeah. Yeah. You got to ask people for for Cuz let me tell you something, human beings have a nature, good human beings,

52:46where they want to reciprocate. Reciprocation is a sixth continent universal language. If I do you a favor, you are inclined to want to do me one. Yep. And so, I ask you to do me a favor. Now, you feel good about yourself, and now you know you got an owe you see from me.

53:02Yeah. You know, and it's not the linear. I'm not making it a quid pro quo. You want to do non-linear favors, and you want to be a karma bank Yeah. for people. You want people to know they can call you if they're in a pinch, and you're going to be there for them. Yeah. Okay, you do that, you're going to have a very happy life. And you know, you wrote about this recently, and I tell my kids, okay, I can only give you two

53:24gifts. Want to hear my Yes. The only thing you can inherit from me are two things. Forget about the money, cuz the money's not going to make you happy. It It'll make you comfortable. Two things. Number one, celebrate the successes of your friends, and I've seen you write about that. I can't emphasize that enough. You want to be the first call for your friends when something good has happened to them. They're

53:45flying themselves into space. Hey Mooch, I'm flying myself into space. That's awesome. Okay, let's go drink champagne together, right? And then the second thing is find what you really love to do and do that. Don't do anything else. You know what it is. I don't know what it is. I know what it was for me. I like selling. Had a paper route as 11 years old. I love people. I like meeting people. I like connecting people. That's how the SALT conference came about. I like building businesses that are on teams. I was a you know, played a lot of team sports as

54:16a kid. That's me. That's manifestation of my professional life as a result of the things that I love. And that's what you have to do with your life. Okay, and you got to relax. Like Mel Brooks says, relax. None of us are getting out of here alive. don't we? You look very relaxed. You're not getting out of this thing

54:34alive, so you better enjoy yourself. Drink whiskey, you know. Yeah. Well, what for for what it's worth, I you have definitely embodied those principles in my interactions with you. I'm super excited that we were able to get you in here. And honestly, really excited for what your next act is as well. And you took my fashion and haircut shots pretty well. Okay, that's a sign that you guys have some personal

54:52resilience, okay? Well, appreciate you coming in. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. In the room where it happens, Anthony Scaramucci. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right. awesome, man. Thank you so much. Seriously, this was awesome. Appreciate your success. You're the man. Hell of a discussion, man. Mind blown. Yeah. I I love him, honestly. I know he's gotten a bad rap for some some of the stuff Trump administration and his experience there, but man, he's a great

55:18guy. knowledge. Tons of interesting insights. What were your big takeaways? What was the one big thing you took away from that conversation? A few. I can't get I can't give you one. Well, hit me with your first one though. I mean, top of mind is how important it is when you fall down to get back up and

55:38how important that mindset is. And he talked a lot about that. I think it's just it's okay to you know, we talked about that actually in the beginning with that you know, some of our memes, right? Like falling that you know, if you're going to if you're going to walk, you're going to fall. He hit me different with that super ball

55:53thing. That was good. Yeah, I never heard that. You need to be a super ball and you need to be able to bounce off things. I love that. I um you know, for me the one big takeaway I had was that you just can't do it alone. He referenced it in in the context of um of the world's fair actually. Like bringing it back to our earlier conversation. If you're going to go and do something really ambitious, you cannot do it alone. And I think that's such a powerful framework for thinking about starting something because the reality with anything when you're going and doing something big, you just need

56:21to have people you can count on. You need to reach out to people, collaborate with different people, etc. And so, my call to action like when we think about this community and what we're building, we have all these people that are coming together, all ambitious, all want to learn, all want to go do things.

56:36We should collaborate with each other. We should be in the community talking to each other, interacting. Um we'll be there to do that alongside you guys. It's an amazing powerful thing when we can bring each other up, raise each other up, and work together to get [ __ ] done. Yeah, and I think uh the beauty about the internet like he was talking about the '80s, right? You had to like be physically in a place, right? And now it's just like you don't, you know? Go on your iPhone, hop into the Discord, hop on Twitter, meet people, do good things, and good things will happen to

57:09you. And it just compounds. I mean, he talked about the karma thing and just continuing to help people, raise other people up, and the benefit that creates for you. And we're creating a platform for that. What I hope we do with this community is continue to build a place where you can do that. Where you can help each other out, where you can look out for one another, where you can support one another, connect someone with someone else. It might not be you that knows the specific thing, but if they have an idea and you know someone that might know something about it, help each other out. Connect them. We're

57:35happy to do it. Reach out to us. But, there's something really special here. I'm really glad he said those things. I'm really glad we had the conversation around it. I thought it was a blast. I'm going to do some good things today. That was super fun. Well, cheers, man. Cheers and and cheers to you.

57:49Cheers to you guys. Rex, why do you look so tired? I look so tired cuz I did not sleep last night. Have you never slept well, or is this a new thing? It's not that I can't fall asleep. I fall asleep like right away. But, I wake up a couple hours later and I'm just sitting in my bed and I look at the ceiling and I can't fall

58:15back asleep and I don't know what to do. So, I was literally you. And for the longest time I was this like hustle culture bro, sleep when I'm dead. Didn't want to sleep, didn't care about my sleep. And then I honestly I started reading more of the research and realizing how impactful sleep is to your longevity, to your health, all of these other things. And as part of that, I found Eight Sleep which has completely

58:40revolutionized the way I sleep. I've heard of Eight Sleep. Can you tell me more about it? Think of it as like the future of sleep. All of these mattress companies have created these mattresses, they're just stock. They're stock mattresses. Eight Sleep is technology plus sleep combined. So, the whole product is built around optimizing the temperature that you sleep at. And so you read about sleeping cold is the key to sleeping. And it's not quite true. Everyone has a different optimal sleep temperature and it changes throughout the night, which is the crazy part about it. So, you might need really cold to fall asleep and then you might

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