Memes Rule The World with Dogecoin Creator Billy Markus | Where It Happens

0:00dude nice headset man god i love that that's like 80s retro gamer headset i mean i'm i'm not embarrassed to wear it um i'm not afraid to be a nerd but i know it makes me look a bit nerdy i think it's amazing it's like some ready player one [ __ ] i i love it dude i i think it's a it's kind of your look now i sort of want you to wear it when we're back in person once you know this whole omicron thing dies down and we can do these more in person again um i want you to keep that thing rolling i like it you should

0:28just wear it around your neck be like uh be one of the neck headphone guys i'll start with my ears i'll see let's see if i can make to the neck what's uh what's going on what do you want to talk about today oh man got a bunch i want a drink though um last episode we filmed when we did it with scott belski i didn't drink and i actually felt like that was a mistake so i've got my drink ready um and i'm going to be drinking kentucky owl bourbon whiskey a friend of mine blake bird shout out big supporter sent me this bottle for the holidays and

0:58um it's amazing and so i'm going to be drinking that today what are you drinking um this is just a sparkling water i think it's pronounced [Music] lacroix even though i'd call it lacroix i think it's the qua i think it's lacroix i think it's lacroix actually ryan hoover would know um he drinks a lot of it and he talks a lot about it i think i think it's the kroy it's the key lime flavor okay you know i'm in i'm in florida so i leave greg for two months and he starts going soft on me i'm the only one drinking now i'm the only degenerate

1:30around here anyway i mean if i lived in the northeast during the winter i would be drinking whiskey two at four pm yeah it's cold there's ice on the road outside i can see um the whiskey tastes good keeps me warm so let dude let's dive into it i feel like we have a lot um we've got a very cool guest that's going to come on that will intro when we get to it but um a bunch of stuff happened this week that i just want to talk about i want to get your perspective on captchas is the financing solution for fast growing startups it lets companies

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3:56what's it called looks look stock looks rare looksrare.org um kind of crazy whole thing so you you're gonna have to correct me if my like research in general is off on this i dug into it earlier because um i'm trying to be more of a d-gen around this stuff but um it's kind of cool so basically you know open c is like the biggest player in the nft marketplace space they just raised money mario at the generalist did a great piece on it but they raised money at like what a 15 billion dollar valuation or some like massive valuation i could probably pull it up while we're talking

4:32here um but they raise money they're like you know the air incumbent yeah 13.3 billion in in new round of venture funding massive company this company called looks rare which is looksrare.org comes along and does something kind of neat it's called a vampire attack but basically they entice you to come over and list nfts on their new marketplace looksrare.org and the way they're doing it is by offering you an airdrop of these looks tokens um and all of a sudden people were doing it and the reason was because these looks tokens were actually valuable and it was based on the amount of transaction volume i think you did on openc the

5:13number of tokens you get dropped i think and so you could go yeah and how much you bought so okay yeah it was your eth volume on openc yeah i belie i believe it's you know if you spent let's say 10 eth on openc you got some sort of percentage you know something like that in lux token okay okay so i my experience with this like i think it's fascinating it's actually like from a consumer standpoint a pretty neat growth hack because basically what they did was incentivize people with this thing that who knows if it has value but basically you just had to list you had to list an

5:51nft for sale on looksrare.org in order to claim these tokens and what started happening was as people started claiming them people started staking them buying them um suddenly they had real value and so like i went over i was kind of late i think it all started on monday or something like that i think you texted me about it a few others i didn't pay attention and then i went over to it yesterday and pulled up my thing and my looks rare token drop was worth like 4 8 or something like that um in in the amount of looks tokens they were going to send me which is bananas

6:27like they were just giving you free money right so what did you do so you you claim the looks token and then tell people what you did yeah so all you had to do to claim it was list one for sale so i had some like unbelievably worthless nft in my open c you know in my wallet that i listed for sale um which was never going to sell i listed it for 1 eth on the looks rare thing and that allowed me to claim it so again like i kind of found a loophole to the system because it didn't matter and it was like i think it was chodes by the

6:55way it was the toads derivative chodes that has no volume no liquidity um i listed that it allowed me to claim i think i claimed 3 000 looks um and maybe i'm like embarrassing maybe that's not many i don't know how many other people got um but it was worth like at the time when i did it i think it was worth 15 us dollars like so in eth um you know it was like five eight or maybe a little less than that five eighth um but kind of crazy and so then basically it says like they have you there and you can sell it and i think a lot of

7:29people probably did and dumped it but then a few of my friends were like hey you can actually stake it and so then on the website they have this whole thing where you can immediately stake the looks that you got and generate like they have a live tracker of the apr you can generate that's like very gamified and so i was like wow this is free money that no one like i didn't think i was gonna have so i might as well stake it and so i staked it and it's like a 950 apr to stake it or something like right now right so i think i mean

7:59there's a lot of interesting pieces of it first of all you got fifteen thousand dollars for doing nothing someone basically just wrote you a check for fifteen thousand dollars um assuming it's liquid yeah assuming you can sell it right like sometimes they do these air drops and the thing isn't liquid you can't actually sell it so who knows but looks like i claimed mine i claimed mine and i sold it right away a lot of people do that right so you so you converted it into eth converted it into eth which i converted into usd which i transferred to my account and i went and bought something

8:34so like liquid and that and you know it happened and it happened quickly so i think like for me it was like christmas came really early yeah we're in mid-january um so so yeah the first thing is like the the fact that people are getting this like random check is is honestly why i think a lot of people don't like people in crypto or people who are doing these nft things is like sometimes it is really easy money um and we can talk about like the perception of nfts and the perception of crypto people after but that's the first thing i wanted to make mention of

9:09how like how crazy that is the second thing is air drops in general are just fascinating right because basically what you're doing is you're looking at public blockchain data and you're rewarding loyalty so because sahel bloom is a loyal openc customer someone else another company or another product or another community is able to take that data and potentially grab the users from openc because that's what they're trying to do right they're trying to bootstrap the the network and yeah sorry go ahead you're hitting on something really interesting that relates to our conversation with scott too which is um one of the it's actually an interesting innovation of web three i

9:56think like chris dixon had a threat on this recently that web 3 is interesting in the context that you can actually vote with your feet very credibly because this platform looks rare tiny no one knows what it is they can come in and do something like this and then maybe they start charging you know a quarter of what openc charges from a commission standpoint and suddenly you know like people have to race to the bottom on that margin that they can charge and clip because i might just vote with my fee now i can like go over to looks and maybe i'm an early looks adopter and start using the platform

10:30more i buy looks tokens now i'm incentivized to use looks because i actually want looks to succeed i've got a bunch of looks now i'm staking it if a bunch of people start using looks like i might start hyping looks up because i'm a part of it and they're charging a lower fee and so it's kind of interesting because it does remove power from these centralized platforms when people can really vote with their feet this quickly yeah i also think it makes the open seas of the world or the competition just a lot more like make them more scared which makes the product better you know

11:06they they have to adapt you know i'm sure they're looking at um this product and they're like okay what we know we don't want to lose people right so what do we got to do on our platform do we need to make it more decentralized do we need to add you know certain they added they had a few features on on looks uh on that platform that you know opencv was missing so um it's pretty interesting the other thing also is there are kinks with with airdrops right so you mentioned that you know you went on the platform you basically listed something a chodes which is worth zero for you know one eth

11:45so you're kind of like that's a problem right because then you don't that platform is gonna have a lot of like bad inventory and bad merchandise um so i think um there are kinks and we're i'm sure that they're gonna fix it and a lot you know but we the cool thing is we're learning about this process people are trying things people are pushing the boundaries um i don't understand how it's not like it's just so weird to me because they've created value from nothing um like there's there's this thing of just like money from nothing that still confuses me fundamentally when i try to think in

12:22first principles on this kind of stuff because they sent me a bunch of tokens that they just created out of thin air that don't actually have value but now they do because they've dropped it to a bunch of people and because a bunch of people now have it and are trading it and because a bunch of people like me have staked it um you can actually trade it and there's liquidity because that's what the staking does is it's providing liquidity in the in the protocol um i just like it it breaks my mind a little bit to understand it um and so for me personally whenever that happens

12:54i try to like dig in more and that's why i'm staking it honestly is i just want to like participate and learn more about it and kind of be along for the ride and see what happens but it's pretty fascinating i think it's interesting and it's like it's a um it is a case study in web 3 and how these things can materialize and like a company that no one had ever heard of i don't think for the most part a week ago is like part of the zeitgeist all of a sudden i'm sure people had um ed opens here thinking about it yeah yeah absolutely i think um

13:26i'm sure actually i'm sure they're more than thinking about i think they're they're probably looking at in their their they must be scared or feel a bit vulnerable um and i don't blame them to be honest like you know i i don't know the exact numbers but probably tens of thousands if not a hundred thousand plus people have gone and claimed tokens that's like you know i think one of the takeaways i have from this whole thing is networks have value you know it's a reminder that networks have value like yes these tokens are coming out of thin air but when you're creating a network that network of buyers and sellers has a

14:03lot of value and scarcity drives value too right you're staking your tokens those tokens are going out of your wallet therefore demand you know supply goes down puts price pressure to go up so a lot of interesting things i wish i paid more attention uh in economics class um in school um i have to relearn it all and i've been relearning it all in the trenches but uh yeah yeah i mean it's gonna be interesting to track the price is remarkably stable for i like i would have thought everyone just dumped it and it became worthless and the prices basically hovered around four bucks for the last several days and with a few

14:39pops and a few drops but like generally pretty pretty stable i just like it's interesting to think about centralization and decentralization because when you think about the biggest companies within within the crypto and web 3 landscape you know the ones that have like really made it institutionally they're still centralized like coinbase open c they're centralized and so this is kind of scary like because you can have these attacks that are somewhat successful i mean i would qualify this as successful at this point um that come from like truly decentralized positions and chip away at the veneer of these of these centralized players so it's kind of interesting it's definitely

15:15going to be one to track and um you know in this era where like memes and um you know the internet virality you know kind of own the zeitgeist um it's a it's a very telling reminder of um you know not being complacent like earlier in the week i wrote about um the icarus paradox and like not not flying too close to the sun and getting complacent and hubris and i think like web theory is a perfect example of where you have to really be careful about that to the point you made earlier totally yeah we're we've moved from means of production to memes of production

15:52it's a good segue too to who we have in today i feel like you teed that up pretty well um memes of production i like that i like that and you know we're we're gonna bring our guest in to jam um and that's a perfect transition because what meme has owned the internet and the zeitgeist over the last really two years more than dogecoin um the joke cryptocurrency that took over the world um so we've got billy marcus who will not be on video because um he avoids showing his face publicly due to security concerns which i don't blame him for because there is a dark side of

16:37the internet um but super super excited to have him in with us and uh get to talk i i mean i need to get the story of doge because there's some just absurdity along the way in that but then you know talk about in the new era of investing meme investing you know the funniest outcome wins and uh dive into all of this memes of production i loved your comment there totally i'm excited to talk to him i've never like i follow him on twitter uh which is an awesome follow i don't you know i haven't done like to be honest much research on him um i'm just looking forward to chatting

17:11with him and hearing hearing like what is his um like why did he start it you know how how does he how does he see you know me you know memes of production what does he think of this of airdrops i'm curious of that too um and just yes see if it's gonna be fun guy or not it's gonna be fun shiba toshi nakamoto on twitter i think his at is something different but that's what his name is so he's got to be pretty funny because i do think that's a that's a funny name um let's bring him in and uh let's dive in on this now

17:42he's coming in hey there billy hey can you hear me yeah we can hear you man what's going on i hear a lot of weird noise uh oh i don't like that's our voices that's our voices no no it's like a like yelling like hey i don't know uh let me put this next to the mic i'm worried is it in your brain uh hang on it might be from my end oh my god it is from i was looking at some twitter video that was on loot it was a bunch of like people screaming like hey john i'm like what and it like happened to coincide

18:18exactly with like coming in here and i was like what the heck i was like holy [ __ ] man billy's having a paranoid attack isn't a good start or it's going to be a great start and this will be an awesome episode i don't know anyway are you good now are we starting we're not starting the episode right this is uh oh no we're starting man cold open no no we can cut it we can cut whatever you want out man we do whatever post-production you want so if you say anything that you didn't like um i did think that was pretty funny though in general

18:52greg and i record we record straight through so greg and i were like recording before we like do a kind of opening jam and then bring someone in but um thank you so much for joining us man yeah no problem i hope you have a drink well actually it's pretty early your time you're on the west coast right yeah it's two and i still have a lot of work to do today so oh man i'm not drinking it i do have water so that's okay well greg's drinking a sparkling water i'm sitting here like the degenerate on the call drinking a whiskey um but it's cold in

19:21the northeast man so i need it i need it right now yeah what's your what's your drink choice in general i'm a bourbon guy i like bourbon i mean i love tequila um but tequila like on an evening in the cold northeast on a thursday night didn't feel right so i'm drinking bourbon right now kentucky owl bourbon whiskey nice yeah i like that billy i like whiskey and coke uh it's like if i just go to a bar and i have no creativity i either say like give me something that doesn't taste like alcohol or just whiskey and coke simple man i like it i like it well dude

19:54thank you um thank you so much again for joining us um this is gonna be fun i mean you and i have like i want to give a little bit of the background because it's funny but basically like billy and my relationship is a uh classic of 2021 2022 which is literally we met on twitter like i meet everyone greg you and i met on twitter like all of my favorite you know boyfriends and girlfriends are on twitter um and i just like i was drawn to um how kind of just like fun open um and you know just like openly sharing you were you just had this like vivacious

20:31personality on twitter and i love that and your name is shibitoshi nakamoto which i find [ __ ] hilarious um and so i started just like interacting with you we were dm'ing and then we talked about bringing you on and you know you mentioned that you don't do like public appearances for security reasons which i totally get um but just so stoked to have you here and get to jam more on you know meme investing the story of doge your background and and just get into it yeah it sounds fun i know you as the guy on twitter who posts really long threads that are smart

21:04like he's better than the guy on twitter who posts really long threads that are dumb so i think some people probably think that of me too which is fine and i'll just mute them um but i appreciate you man you're right you're the man and i think we were racing to a million at one point and you were like actually billy uh challenged me to a race to a million followers on twitter he was at 940 000 and i was at 400 000 and challenge me to race and honestly the audacity to do that just made me respect him more um so anyway welcome to the show and thank you for joining us

21:38yeah i like challenges that i can i can win easily yeah it's smart man just better things you know you can win so can you can we just start and this is not an interview um very informal and feel free to curse and have a blast but like can you just tell people like what your background is who you are like how you kind of came to you know kind of came to be the founder of what you ended up building uh sure i'm i'm just a software guy uh who've played video games all my life i'm just grew up a nerd and kind of an

22:08internet troll um on aol i would like you know impersonate guides and be a douche and then uh moved on to different message boards and was a douche there uh and then grew up a little bit but still have that you know introduced in me um so when i came to like learned about cryptocurrency i like you know saw uh the bitcoin talk forms i think uh is what was called uh in like 2013. and was this like on reddit or where was it no it is actually a form called bitcoin talk that was like where in 2013 that was where the like hub of all of bitcoin talk was and i was like

22:45well this is fascinating people are like using their idle cpu cycles to make money i want to make money uh so i you know try to learn how to mine and then uh eventually learned that it took way more power to mine than you could get because bitcoin at that time was like a hundred bucks uh a bitcoin it does have very embarrassing trades on coinbase that are like me purchasing like 10 bitcoin and then like three days later me selling the 10 bitcoin for like 20 profit me like yeah totally earned that you know did you uh like on on the forum did you make a lot of friends or were you kind

23:22of just no solo doing your own thing building by yourself that that is not a foreign bitcoin talk was not a form to make friends and meet people it was just a you know forum to talk about how great you are or how great whatever dumb altcoin that you're making is gonna be and then people trying to mine it um and then other people just you know speculating on whatever they think the price is gonna be in the future and stuff like that so sound on twitter now i guess this makes me think of um like early days silk road by the way um i don't

23:56know if you guys have ever read that book um i think it's called american kingpin it's actually one of my favorite um pieces of non-fiction i've read in the last five ten years so if anyone hasn't read it it's worth a read but it's basically the story of um silk road which was like for anyone that doesn't know it it was like the amazon of um you know kind of illicit activity at the time and most of the transactions were through bitcoin so people were buying drugs and unfortunately you know weapons and different things on there but it was like the ultimate libertarian um you know government can't control

24:28what you do this is an open marketplace and you could buy with bitcoin and it was like part of the early ethos of the bitcoin internet um was running through um through silk road and honestly like i think a lot of the bad rep that people have um applied to crypto still goes back to what you know their kind of predisposition was around it with silk road but this guy the founder of it who was like you know jeff bezos found it all founded amazon this guy ross albrecht founded silk road is in jail for life um you know based on a handful of different things and you know

25:02different people will tell you different things about what he did but super worth reading the book but this guy's in jail for life for founding this thing that you know was ostensibly a marketplace where people happen to do illegal things um but a fascinating story of like early days of bitcoin and and some of the stuff that was happening in the utility of it early on yeah absolutely the primary utility in 2013 of of cryptocurrency was illegal gambling or illegal purchase of drugs and weapons and whatever other terrible things and yeah and you know just speculation in general so that was like the scene in 2013

25:38and then there's all these altcoins uh that were usually like based on litecoin uh the script based uh which were a little easier to mine with a graphics card like they hadn't been solved like at that time uh asic miners the specialized computers uh that are used to mine bitcoin or mine uh uh litecoin right now um we're only good for bitcoin and so there are a whole bunch of coins that if you had a fancy graphics card like i did that you could mine it with your uh graphics card and get a decent amount of them so that's how i started learning about these so it wasn't like

26:11was it really like gamers then just people that had these fancy graphic cards not really like uh so that ties into like uh when i found all of these coins and like all of the like different coins that people had uh made it was like oh these are all dumb like i could probably learn how to make one of these they seem like they're all the same and i found a guide uh for how to do it and it was like you know take litecoin change seven parameters and recompile it and then you have your own stupid crypto coin so it's like okay cool so i i had just been

26:44playing animal crossing a lot um and in 2013 no one knew what animal crossing was and i released bells coin this is my first cryptocurrency uh my only other one other than dogecoin and no one knew what it was like literally no one in bitcoin talk forms had any idea what animal crossing was they're like what is this looks like a cartoon i'm like it's from a game you know bells like another crossing like no with this stupid like it won't make me rich i'm like okay so it just died like almost right away so when that what year was that sorry that was 2013 that you did that yeah

27:16that was like mid-2013 okay and then yeah after that i was like well crypto or like obviously i i can just retire from this i don't want to get yelled at by random people um but then uh bitcoin does that exist does bills coin still exist anywhere i'm like googling frantically because i've never heard of it but i like i need to find this now it does exist in the form of dogecoin because uh bitcoin or uh dogecoin is forked directly from bell's queen oh okay so you gotta walk us through it man okay go from here okay so no one knew about bell's coin you

27:49started this thing it was a joke yeah yeah how did this fork into into doge so like i don't know two or three months later uh i like bitcoin just crashed and i went to some like irc channel that was like oh why did bitcoin crash oh it's because china's stuff which you know is the same story now and uh someone linked to dogecoin.com and was like ah this is gonna be the next big thing and i clicked on it and uh jackson palmer on the other side of the earth in australia had like just put up this site um with a like dogecoin uh picture and like uh all

28:26these like pop-ups comic sans like wow and blah blah you can see in an archive.org um from 2013 still and uh it just said on the bottom if you want to make this a reality like hit me up and i was like i want to make this a reality because i know how to make cryptocurrency uh so yeah i just took the next couple hours and uh like all i wanted to do was uh change the regular bitcoin client uh to be comic sans font and then like have some custom stuff on it like instead of mining it was like dig and other stupid things like that and

29:00like change some of the the font or the the icons um and then yeah that was it it was just like this silly ridiculous thing it's like haha we're gonna make dogecoin it's gonna totally take over the world lol and then we released it and then and then stuff happened what was it that you had sorry yeah when you um when you say like you know you thought it was gonna take over the world do you mean like you thought it was gonna take over like the current you know small crypto world or did you actually think like like did you have a vision of like you

29:32know and you know today like post malone's buying like board apes and visas adding you know crypto and it's just like it's it's cr it's mainstream i'm just curious like did you and jackson like ha you know have some foresight to oh no we had no foresight whatsoever and not only that it was just complete joke it was just like this this thing's gonna die in like a couple days it's obviously stupid no one's gonna buy this like this is just a gag because it was funny but like it was functional it was just a fork of an existing coin that already worked so we knew it would work it's

30:05just like like no one cares about this and then that wasn't true like a lot of people cared about it instantly and obviously like you know you're talking about the the current scene with nfts and all this stuff is like no no way we would have thought anything like this would happen it was it was all just a bunch of nerds like being silly with each other it's basically a drop basically what you're saying is it was like a drop you know it's like we were talking style like i saw your thread on mischief that company that does those drops every week yeah it's basically that you basically were like

30:35let's have some fun i'm gonna like change a few things add a story to it and press compile and go to sleep and then you wake up and it just you know it starts spreading yeah pretty much like fascinating to look at the chart though like i've got the chart up of all time and so like what year was that that you actually did the draw that you december

31:01uh 8th 2013. okay so i'm looking at the chart and basically like i i can't even give you what the scent was for a single doge because it's too many decimals like it was december okay so on december uh 28 i can't really quite zoom in on january 1st 2014 so a few weeks later it was at point zero zero zero three and my eyes are like glazing over because of the number zeros and basically for you know from then until uh there was a little spike in 2018 when it got up to almost one cent which is like probably a huge jump i mean you must have been

31:45at that point like the 24 hour volume was 300 million dollars like you must have been thinking this is wild um and that felt crazy and then in january 2018 it crossed into one cent territory but then it went back down and it was below a cent and then all of a sudden like i'm pulling up the chart in 2021 the thing goes from you know on january 1st it's under a penny and it goes from there over the span of that month basically like by february 1st it's at 7 cents and from there it goes from 7 cents to by may almost what like 70 cents 75 cents it

32:25goes up to like what i mean what are you thinking as this is happening uh so i sold all my cryptocurrency in 2015. like when there's this big bear market included yeah bitcoin i had a bunch of bitcoin a bunch of litecoin and i was just like whatever uh like this this is a bear market was like three years uh at that point so yeah you know the people freak out now if it's like two days of bear markets like oh god this is the worst it's like and then they make fun of anybody who sells during it is like yeah try three years try having a bear market for three years

32:59and seeing if you like you know want to hang on to it uh and basically i had uh i got laid off for my job and then like i was like kind of panicking because i was watching my bank account go down uh i had moved to california so my rent was like pretty expensive uh so i was like oh that's right i have all this like cryptocurrency so i just got rid of all of it and got the cash and felt a little more comfortable which was a terrible thing um but uh yeah so basically when all this stuff happened like 2018 happened and like crypto was going crazy and all

33:31the icos were happening and my friends knew about it so they'd be like oh what do you think of this i'm like oh my gosh like this is pain this is like i mean it's fine like you know good for it good for people who are in the space but for me it's like ah that sucks that's oh my god okay so i need okay well i i don't mean to add insult to injury here um at all but like i read an article and so like just the general background on this i find incredible because you're out here you're still clearly a public figure you're doing

34:04fine you have a job like things are things are good um and elon musk follows you on twitter which like basically no one can say so like i need to bow down to you as a result of that so if elon is out there actually and he sees this episode um that would be great as well because i think he'll find it hilarious but i i did see an article um when i was researching for this about the fact that you sold all your dogecoin and um you bought a car and when i was looking at it i was like okay so you you know you sold your

34:34dogecoin you bought a car i think it was a honda civic in the article which who knows maybe they're maybe they're making it exciting for the article cnbc whatever it was uh but then like during the spike in 2021 that dogecoin that you sold would have been worth enough to buy honda and it cracked me up when i saw it because it was such an example of the absurdity of some of these things where i mean there was like no rhyme or reason to it the memes control the world like elon musk went on i think it was joe rogan's podcast near maybe a clubhouse room or something where he talks about

35:08like um you know he who controls the memes controls the world like the dune line um and it really all of a sudden i mean it took over in 2021 um where like meme you know like greg called it memes of production um it's so fascinating to me though to see it in real time and to see it with you know a case study like this with what you went through yeah a couple things with that uh so the honda civic thing is hilarious because it's usually a picture of jackson my co-founder and then saying like billy marcus sold all his holdings for a honda civic and that was like kind of a

35:42misquote because i i didn't want to say the exact amount it was about like ten thousand dollars so i'd say like about as much as i sold all my crypto for about as much as you know it could cost a buyer used honda civic and then that just became the meme it was like a picture of jackson's control of the world yeah the theme strikes again the meme strikes again exactly well that is i mean that like that it's such a classic like media thing like click baity headline of like sold and bought honda bought used honda civic could have bought all of honda it's such an absurd i mean i get it i

36:18get why they do it actually it does drive clicks i clicked on it yeah i think it's kind of funny so sometimes i just roll with this like yeah people like how's your honda i'm like i don't know never had one never had one before my father wants to sponsor me like i'm down whatever yeah it is funny we talked on one of our first episodes greg you remember this um like talking about um it was like the idea of like lost porn and like man in the arena stuff with howard in that first episode that we dropped when you know like we all now everyone loves

36:51to share gains and like talk about their amazing wins and things like that but it's so interesting because now i think like reddit you know with wall street bets people are actually sharing their like massive l's and the things that they sold to earlier the big l's they're taking and it's become like a point of pride for a lot of people to kind of share those um and i find i mean i think it's like healthy actually um societally that people are doing more of that billy yeah billy do you do you see it as an l because like i look at it i'm like how many people get to like create a

37:22meme and spread it you know that for well i mean first of all it's enduring like it's been years at this point and you know hundreds of millions of people have seen it i'm just curious like how do you feel i i don't mean you know how do you feel about it all um so in terms of the the lost porn part of it or just that as part of culture i agree that i think that's a good thing uh that people are like more realistic about it it's not like oh we always just make money because everything goes up all the time i think it's good that

37:53there's a reasonable thought of like this is pretty much gambling um in terms of like what i think uh it's just weird like it from from my position i just kind of made something eight years ago and then eight years later it went crazy and elon musk was talking about i'm like okay like it's just a very like like all right i guess i'm in this position now and then like when i tweet stuff and people are responding to me i'm like that's weird like people are listening to me i'm just some nerd like sitting in my underwear most of the time or on the toilet

38:26tweeting random crap so it you know it's just it's like i it's kind of like but that's what i love about the internet that's like that's the amazing thing about the world we live in too like dude i mean i'm looking at i'm pulling it up right now you created something which i mean how many people in the world can say this you created something that today has a market cap of 22.5 billion dollars and traded two billion dollars of volume um i texted my friend um uh david mcdonough is the founder of this business common stock that's an awesome you know free platform for investment knowledge

39:01they're a supporter of the show because he gets a ton of retail investing data through their through their platform and the integrations and he said that doge was the over the past 12 months the fourth most traded asset across all retail brokers and exchanges and it was it beat out by the way it beat out apple amazon and the spy index the s p 500. um it was literally behind tesla bitcoin and ethereum um which tesla is like a meme in and of itself obviously so i mean it shows it goes to show though like what you did create whether or not you profited from it as you know as much as

39:41anyone would have liked i mean it's pretty insane like the numbers on it are bananas yeah uh i remember seeing a graph of like the most searched thing in the united states uh for various ports of time and during the year on google and dogecoin like like april may and part of june was the most searched thing like in the entire united states which is like oh okay this is like everyone knows what it is now um i just sound like an anecdote actually uh when i first came to california there was a dogecoin uh hackathon and i wasn't invited or like i just kind of came as a whim

40:18and like i went there and uh they were like oh are you on this list i'm like no but i'm billy marcus they're like uh okay i'm like yeah like i made dogecoin and they're like oh okay and like you know eventually let me in but it's like they didn't no one knew what it was like it wasn't a thing that's like a common knowledge and now it is like most people know or have heard of dogecoin and have some either an opinion on it or think it's like like what the heck was going on i know that that's true because i said it before i came in to record this i

40:52told my wife i was recording an episode and i was like hey just just so you know i'm filming something and she's like oh who are you chatting with and i was like billy marcus and she was like oh who's that said the founder of dogecoin she was like is that that dog cryptocurrency and my wife knows nothing about this stuff and i was like yeah and she's like oh so and so like my friend was buying a bunch of it and i was just like okay so it clearly has entered the zeitgeist because my wife does not touch any of this stuff or know anything about it but she knew what it

41:18was so yes you've definitely uh you've definitely crossed the chasm as it were yeah that's cool and also like uh most of the companies that i've worked for because i work for a lot of startups uh since coming to california like every once in a while i think like huh the thing i made in a couple hours is worth more than this company i mean it's worth more than a lot of companies by the way i mean 22 billion dollars no the trading volume is what's bananas to me too i mean two billion dollars today is um is just crazy like do you do you ever think

41:49and i again i'm not like trying to rub rub this in like do you think about the fact that you like it would be worth billions of dollars today or your stake in it or is it just something that you're like yeah i mean it's so long ago and you created and it was a joke and it still is a joke i mean it's like openly a joke but it became a meme um do you think about it ever uh so my my personal stake would have like at max at about six million uh this because of like uh when those articles came out they're like oh uh let's take the entire market

42:21cap of those going to attribute it to billy marcus it's like yeah that's not how it works yeah but uh to your point though like uh i think it was uh i wouldn't call it like like terrible but it was just kind of like like my mom was struggling uh last year uh with like house payments essentially and uh it was like oh i can i can help you but like it's kind of difficult for me uh to you know pay for your your mortgage while uh also paying for all my expenses to california so when dogecoin was getting unpopular it's like yeah i could have you know done it

42:56easily if i just had this um but fortunately i was able to make it up by selling nfts and stuff and i was able to pay off her house and so that was like everything i would have ever wanted so at this point everything's gravy like doesn't you know i have a decent job and everything's fine so yeah regrets or anything right you got to know more people yeah yeah twitter people hitting like buttons and and sometimes i'm giving you something amazing about it that's like um i don't know i mean like memes control the world in a very this is like the most visceral example of that that um

43:35you created something and honestly there was no reason other than like elon musk starts tweeting about it people start thinking it's funny i saw someone recently say that like the funniest outcome is the most likely outcome now um with all of these things and i think about it now a lot with investing of like are is this company like are there memes and virality that happen around this company and like i um i've talked to greg about this before like i i'm a big believer in this new asset class around like event contracts and i invested in this platform called calci that is like the only cftc regulated platform and

44:10their whole thing you know like what i'm trying to talk to them about is like there's so much interesting memeable content here where people are trading on these like binary events and you're getting into things and there's these like crazy charts of when things are swinging and like harnessing memes now has to be a core strategy at some of these companies that are trying to grow because all of a sudden you can just you know shoot things to the moon out of the blue from just capturing the zeitgeist at one moment in time yeah i would like memes are the language of the internet essentially and i think

44:44you know the the previous term for all this stuff was virality right like the cheapest marketing is to have something go viral and the cheapest and most effective and often really scary for companies to have to try to scale after they go viral like oh no like a jillion people are looking at my stuff so uh i think in that way it makes sense like if like uh one thing i noticed in general is if i'm trying to express a point on twitter with my 280 characters usually if it's nuanced it's like pretty hard and you know people people will read your threads because you you

45:18do a good job of like prefacing it with like what you want to say and getting people interested with your you know 19 things of whatever but uh mine are like you know like here are three three tweets in a row and like no one understands it but if i make a meme people understand it it's like oh okay like the the picture is worth a thousand words uh it gives all this context and it's just like way more efficient at expressing what you want to say so i really do think means memes are powerful and like can't be denied just just like you know being viral is really really

45:53important in marketing billy what is a meme can you you know for all the people listening like how do you define a meme uh there's like the the you know like old school definition of a meme which is just like any idea that's spread essentially so like everything's a meme um but uh like memes nowadays are more just like um like a picture uh or an image of some sort that expresses something that's usually kind of funny or kind of true uh in a in a way that is easy to comprehend very quickly um yeah i don't really know if that's a good definition but it's kind of how how

46:33i think the definition at the moment yeah and like doge means yeah it captures in an image something that you know a bunch of words couldn't say yeah um but it doesn't have to be an image i don't think right like i think like to me a meme is a spreadable idea the format could be a video it could be an image it could be you know a letter which is basically would you say you're like um you understand like when it comes to you know nerd culture programming culture you're kind of like an expert like you you you understand that culture really well so you can create memes for them really

47:16well would you say that no i mean not necessarily i think if you're obsessed with something uh for example i was like really into starcraft 2 for a while so i could make starcraft 2 memes because i understood like the nuance of that particular subculture i think that's where memes are like i can make dogecoin memes now or like crypto memes right now because it has a very specific subculture and like people can relate to specific things if i if i make them in a meme image um so that's what i agree so i think that i think the reason you were able to create dogecoin in two hours is because

47:53you had such a deep connection and understanding of that community that it was just second nature to you that's what i think what do you think billy um so he's he's humble man he's humble he doesn't want to give himself be honest be honest that's my outside perspective my outside perspective is like like you knew or you know you and jackson knew that like that dog had a good chance of um and the name and just like the whole bit and all the nuances that you said in this in the contract and like the words here and the words there together that had a good chance of

48:32spreading not not quite like it was it was like a it was more of a feeling if this has to exist than a feeling of like this will work and this will be popular because the bitcoin community at that time had no sense of humor whatsoever it's just like you know the the least funny community in history so like that having something that's supposed to be funny like like i wouldn't think that would work in that context but it had uh excitement outside of that little like subculture so and actually this is true in my opinion is that dogecoin has done an amazing service to the cryptocurrency community

49:12of like getting more people into cryptocurrency than ever would have if bitcoin was just bitcoin and like those people that were really into it that's a great point yeah it provided i mean it's a lot of what companies are trying to do now it's like providing rails the memes provided rails into this new world and it provided like a logical on-ramp to the point where my wife is talking about cryptocurrency um as a good example of it like normal people on the street my parents probably know what dogecoin is and that's interesting and that's like hugely hugely valuable to the space and so again to your point on

49:46like what you created having lasting value it's interesting i want to pitch you guys on an idea i've been having and this like meme conversation is so ripe for exactly what i'm talking about we're talking about memes control the world like memes are driving massive flows of money memes are influencing behavior so my idea is why don't you go and roll up these meme accounts like go and find the best meme accounts that exist on twitter on instagram on tiktok like parrik patel on twitter i love pyrik the like greg guy that did the no way jose thing to jose canseco um the liquidity um on instagram and on

50:30twitter like these people that are capturing the set of emotions the zeitgeist that are really good at just like over and over again putting out these memes that capture attention they have so much collective clout individually they're like sort of small and subscale i'm not sure there's a ton of like monetization there but if you could roll them up even if you like de facto brought them into a partnership together you could i think sway you know individual kind of companies trajectories perception uh you know markets around things if you actually like brought together the collective clout of these meme accounts so why not go and like roll them up go

51:12and like like create a fund and go and either buy or like you know kind of have them roll a stake into a collective entity where you can then just go like leverage the power of memes to move markets and it's i don't mean move markets in like an illegal context i literally mean you know they all go get behind an individual company and they're creating memes around it i think you could genuinely drive and accelerate outcomes for those companies that's interesting i would uh i would push back only like in general i think the idea makes sense uh my pushback is that i think what

51:48attracts people to accounts like that are they aren't trying to do anything specific other than be funny and if one of those accounts like just decided to like like okay my you know my riffs that i do all the time that are funny are now ford and i will just talk about ford and make ford memes that would like kind of tank the value of the account this would be like okay that's just like the ford chill and that's kind of uh not as interesting not that that that is exactly what you're saying but like it's it's like with reddit marketing like there's a lot of people that want to

52:23market on reddit but you can't just like go in there like hey everyone buy my stuff you have to like make it funny or make it viral in some way otherwise no one cares about it because they want things to come off authentically and not like you know you're part of the man type thing so i think it's yeah have you heard of uh doing things media have you guys heard of that one uh-huh they own like middle-class fancy [ __ ] steve um like a bunch of these brands trash can paul i'm looking at cats doing things um they have a similar model where they

52:59buy the accounts and what they do is they keep usually it's like a 15 year old guy in his basement but they keep that person on you know on board um so they plug the style they apply your strategy around like let's go buy accounts but they're very like it's basically they're combining sahel your idea with billy's kind of like but keep it keep it you know pure billy what you're basically saying is like the purity rules everything in meme land and i totally agree with that um our company um we we actually create uh accounts around memes all the time so we created um something called i need plans i don't

53:47know i've ever told you about this i remember this go for it this is awesome um so yeah we created an account um that got hundreds of thousands of followers you can follow it on uh you know on multiple platforms but on one platform i like the best instagram i think it has almost 100 000 followers and it's just plant memes you know people are stuck at home and they're talking about plants and it's like once you have this plant account and and these people are like so into plants you can create a lot of businesses on top of it right like you can go and

54:18create you know an nft project you can create plant coin and start air dropping i don't know stuff into them you can create a d2c plan company i think like once once you control the attention um there is a lot you can do but it's tough to remain pure yeah i do think the um the purity point i it totally resonates with me and i think that's the challenge of it i just think about it in the context of like my own experience with meme accounts like this dr park patel account on twitter um i know the actual person behind it now and a lot of people recently have been

54:53saying that they think that i am the person behind the account which i find hilarious because i wish i was that funny and like and and innovative and i honestly wish i had that much time to do what he's done um but he he and i have this whole back and forth thing of like each other's wives that's like funny kind of like you know below bar humor and like you know college humor but like he'll comment on something i posted and be like oh yeah this is why your wife left you or something like that and he'll get like he won't ratio me but he'll get like 700 likes on something

55:22like that and for me it's like people hit me up and be like dude you should tell him to delete that like that's terrible that he got you like that and for me i'm like dude that actually just drove he has five 400 000 followers that drove so many new impressions to the thing that i had and like i don't care if a bunch of people like that it's funny like i think he's funny and it's a hilarious thing um but it drove so many more eyes to me so i almost think that like you don't even need to have them shilling the product like if it's ford

55:50you could have someone like that going in under the ford product and being like delete this this is dumb or like making fun of it and you know like trying to ratio the accounts and it would still drive so many net new eyes to it that you'd have this like net positive effect in the aggregate um created by something that was still genuine to the account yeah i i did notice like when i think you know may uh april may time period uh when my account was very popular or very high engagement if i just like commented on someone's tweet that i thought was funny it would like

56:25like raise up a lot and then kind of the you know the same thing happens to me if elon musk likes one of my tweets it's basically like this weird validation loop that happens where it's like like i made a tweet i thought it was funny and like no one cared and then you know three hours later elon musk lights it and all of a sudden like it gets like 30 000 likes i'm like okay it's like much people like well if elon musk liked it it must be funny type type feeling too well it pops up in all of his he has 69 million followers right

56:52nice nice um nice and he when he likes it it pops up onto a bunch of those people's you know maybe not 69 million maybe it's like uh i don't know like 42 million or something like that people see it and they get um you know a thing that says like this pops up and so now people that didn't see it do see it my biggest triumph of this entire year by the way of like the last 12 months was he commented on one of my things and i successfully defended getting ratioed and did not get rationed by elon musk and so that was like my number one

57:27triumph on twitter of the last year because he when he comes in and comments on things like he blasted jeff bezos and ratioed the hell out of him on something and i was like it was one of the funniest things i saw on twitter last year like the back and forth between the two of them with the little he did the like silver medal when he passed him in net worth um and i don't know i mean yes like i i think it's it's fascinating though and i think there's there's something from a business standpoint to rolling up these accounts that are like individually not particularly valuable

57:55and collectively have a lot of clout that could drive you know real value well yeah the thing you the thing you can do uh also is cross promote in like a in a pure way when you have the network um billy what were you saying oh like now and now you're making me paranoid because i just uh today got a million followers and now i'm thinking like congratulations man what a day you won the bet by the way congratulations yeah i came here just to you know to gloat but yeah now it's like oh no if like every every random stupid thing that i'm liking might show up on a million

58:33people's feed so like oh no i better be more stingy about what i like you dude you also follow 420 people by the way nice you follow 420 and you're followed by one million this is like a screenshottable thing right now shibatoshi nakamoto at billy m2k um man yeah that is a beautiful thing if you fall like it's i mean once you follow 420 people and you're followed by 69 million that would be slightly nicer but you've got a little ways to go yeah i actually have to unfollow somebody to follow someone new because i don't i don't want to get rid

59:09of my 420. yeah i think elon musk should go on a follow spree actually and get to like uh now he's at 70 million he grew uh that's unfortunate he could have he had a real memeable moment there if he got to 420 following and 69 million at the same time dude he went from 69 million to like 7 million or 70 million really fast yeah that was like they always say the first millions the hardest billy [Laughter] he's hurt by a billy one million have you ever seen speaking of memes have you ever seen that meme where like drake i think it was drake tweeted um

59:42the first millions the hardest and t boone pickens tweeted back at him saying uh the first billion is even harder or something like that i thought that was the funniest thing i was like he was like try the first billion or something it was like the most unnecessary flex but also hilarious that t boone pickens was tweeting at drake yes timo pic he's like the oil guy from like the 40s or something totally i think he passed away he's the late oil guy from there but yeah i mean like complete business legend but like total savage for coming at drake that way so that's further to the point on memes um man i

1:00:19uh i had a blast wait wait billy what do you do now what do you do now like what is what is the day-to-day in in in that's true actually i feel like we don't even know the end of the story not the end of the story the middle of the story i just i just work and like you know i'm uh working at home as a software engineer i make software or educational software for kids so that's my day job and then while things are compiling or if i go to the bathroom or if i'm just like procrastinating i'll just tweet that's basically my life this is all i do

1:00:55and why uh why not start like what's stopping you from starting a new project like you do have that itch um like you've started something it's it's hit critical mask you know do you and you have a million person following a million followers on the back of that yeah any interest in starting something new yes but uh one thing i i don't like about the cryptocurrency space in general and this includes nfts and every derivative of cryptocurrency is promising like over-promising so uh i don't like to promise anything i don't like to like hype things that i'm doing so like i might be working on something uh on my own time or whatever

1:01:38but if i do release something i'll just release it when it's done or ready because otherwise you know it is it's really great like joshua literally was made to make fun of how many of these like dumb same projects were out there hyping themselves up about how great they were going to be and how much they were doing and none of them did anything like almost every single one of them died and dogecoin was the only one who made it because it had a community and because it didn't make any promises because it was funny and fun like i made a community that like uh wanted to make it successful so

1:02:12yeah you had me at community village yeah you said greg's love word i mean to be honest billy like i think i i stand by it like i stand by the fact that i think that you have a deep understanding of community and the community that you were in at the time and and how to build memes for that particular community like you did it and i think that you did it once and i think you can do it again i appreciate that yeah i would buy into your next thing i will say that right now so you may not hype it publicly but if you are doing

1:02:47something new i want to know about it i will message you about a lot of people who would be interested in backing whatever it is that you do next you know i i'm very good at uh like getting interested in stuff before it becomes very popular and then getting uninterested in it before it explodes like esports or like magic cards or things like that and cryptocurrency so yeah maybe maybe i have something uh of my interest early that'd be interesting for people billy what uh yeah what in the cryptocurrency space that is like what's what's unattractive to most in the cryptocurrency space that you find potentially attractive like what are

1:03:28people sleeping on um actually it's starting to become bigger now um i do think there's some like i played a lot of mmorpgs uh like world of warcraft um and got sick of them and never wanted to play one again but the idea of like owning uh stuff from it and being able to like sell it to other people uh i think is massive so for example there's have you heard of vr chat so like vr chat is like a virtual world of like i don't know 4chan meets virtual reality this is kind of like this crazy uh virtual reality world i basically see the future as vr chat uh

1:04:09with nfts uh so vr chat but like you own like whatever that you you have on you and you can like show it off because in world of warcraft like people literally would get certain pieces of gear and then stand around this place called iron forge um and other people would like i loved it yeah and then people would be like where'd you get that cool mount or where'd you get that cool shoulder piece like that was enough to make people feel cool about themselves so imagine that plus like yeah this is like worth like 10 000 bucks and i could sell it i own this it's not owned by blizzard

1:04:45entertainment but it's owned by me so like like 3d virtual goods uh being able to actually status signal like it plays on a lot of human human emotions like natural biological things yeah and it's already proven like it's already proven to work in video games so like it will work um the only problem right now is the gamers tend to hate nfts so i think they're just going to be rebranded to like digital goods and then people decide that they like them uh not knowing that behind the scenes is blockchain tech and nft tech and stuff yeah it was super interesting i just pulled it up here while i was poking

1:05:22around i was a i was an og uh world of warcraft player um funny funny enough like the stanford baseball team when i was there especially my freshman year you know you like think you know jocks and like you know they're not nerds and don't do all that kind of stuff and we were like on road trips we were all like sitting on the floor of the bus and in rooms playing world of warcraft on our laptops and being like dude dude iron forge like we gotta go to do this quest whatever it was and it was a blast and i actually still miss playing that game

1:05:52yeah what what what a race in in god uh jeez this is like you're you're dating me now i'm not i have no idea i have no idea well this is 09. yeah good good company uh vitalik uh the creator of ethereum um he was a warlock in world of warcraft and uh blizzard nerfing siphon life was one of the uh reasons that he decided to make ethereum he was like mad that the centralized group like had the control to nerf something so he was like well this decentralization would be better so he went on to fascinating we got to get him on an episode for this greg we uh yeah

1:06:30that's a good it's a good call out if you um i have two two closing questions for you billy number one um if you could say one thing to elon musk that he might hear through this what would you say oh i don't know just like thank you for uh enjoying dogecoin uh thanks for for having fun i i think to me elon musk appreciates dogecoin because it's silly and because it's ironic and because it's funny and fun which is what i would like people to appreciate judge crane for not like just be like looking at the money that they potentially could make or could lose because that's kind of

1:07:08fun but not i don't know it's kind of crazy uh but you know just like the fact that it's funny and has a community that's just interested in screwing around and making memes um i think he appreciates that about it so i appreciate it appreciate it yeah he appreciates it for the pure reasons that you created it around which is like he likes it for what it is which is that's cool um last question that we ask everybody um five year predictions like what are what are your predictions for the future um anything that jumps out to you that you think about for the future it could be

1:07:41this you know thing around nfts vr chat etc like what do you think you know five years from now we're going to be um really excited about as a uh as a human race oh man that's so hard so in terms of like crypto prices uh i always just answer the shrug emoji because i have no idea i sold in 2015 so it's not like i know anything about what what's gonna happen in the future uh but in terms of like uh what i think is cool uh it probably would be something related to i do see i don't think blockchains will take over games because not every game would be

1:08:17good with that there's a lot of problems with security and botting and all that stuff to that would ruin uh the you know purity of games themselves but i do see blockchain gaming becoming um bigger uh in general and you know people wanting to like just play video games and earn money which is my dream when i was 12 years old so i just play video games yeah play to earn i mean we we had um elections yeah we've talked to jiho and alexis who have both been you know around play to earn quite a bit obviously it's a fascinating space i do think the like getting people over

1:08:52getting gamers over the um apprehension around you know and concentration that they have around nfts and around you know this space in general i think is is going to be key it's interesting um there's a lot happening it's a great it's a great prediction i think it's i think it's a good one i know it's a hard question uh i appreciate it i got one last question for you billy um you mentioned i mean your steak would be worth six million dollars or so today if if you kept the the doge um it's a would you rather question so would you rather have the six million

1:09:29dollars in a bank account plus compound interest but no one had would ever heard of you billy you're no one like would know that you're the creator of dogecoin or would you rather the you know used honda amount of money but you're in the same position you are today you've got a million followers you're following for you know 420 people and elon musk sometimes likes your tweets um i would rather have the six million bucks and be anonymous i think like like i when i came back um to men because i was not on twitter for a really long time and i just got a bunch of you know emails telling me to

1:10:11cap dogecoin and like it was really annoying so i actually just came back to tell everyone to leave me alone but then found it was kind of fun and there was some cool people on twitter and i just kind of hung around and started [ __ ] posting but like really like i would rather just have money and be anonymous and not have to deal with this to be fair i think i think it was your best question the best um no i'd take the million followers and i i would take billy's current situation for sure because i think that you know his like his current status if uh

1:10:46if he wanted to and i i don't think this is what motivates you billy which is totally fine i i just think like you know you probably have six million dollars of annual you know income embedded in the value of what you're you know what where you exist today so i just i don't think it's necessarily what motivates you and what you want to do and the way you want to approach things but um i bet you could sell your you know your kind of influence and account for six million dollars to somebody probably so it's uh i don't know it's an interesting thing i'm going to dm you about this billy

1:11:17because i do want to talk more about it because i think it's interesting uh you want to buy my account don't you i want to change your mind on this answer that you just gave because it like personally hurts me a little bit um because i think you're amazing and i think there's i think you're way too humble for what you've done in your life as well which i i love and i think it's it's very endearing as well um but man i think you should you should be very proud of um of some of this stuff that you've uh you've been able to accomplish in a short time

1:11:44yeah well uh i i think a lot of people have that feeling too or it's like oh you have so much potential to do so much and i'm like i just want to play games and make video games make music and have everyone leave me alone yeah well it's why we like you man yeah it's awesome it was a blast getting to jam with you and yeah this is fun hear more of the story man you're um you're a legend and i'm congratulating you on winning our bet of reaching a million followers before me it was a [ __ ] bet just to be totally honest and i'm

1:12:15pissed i'll send you a dogecoin so that you're not you're not at zero um uh as a as a payment on the loss there yeah well let's uh let's race to two million then we can okay let's raise to two million that's fair we can make a public wager on two million um how about you own zero cryptocurrency well it's not a decent amount of ethereum actually no i have none let's just pretend i have none so i don't have to make it all right large bit let's do one eath on two million all right i'm gonna eat two million that sounds good okay all right i think

1:12:47hopefully in the next two years we'll it'll force us to stay in touch too this is great one heath on who hits two million first i'm a massive underdog elon musk if you're out there help me out give your boy a follow uh at saaho bloom on twitter help me get one eth from billy thank you sounds good thanks so much billy appreciate it where it happens thank you the saying used to be let your game speak with common stock it's about let your gains speak i love common stock love the platform and have really been enjoying learning from other people on there how does it

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