The Future of AI with Riley Brown

0:00I got to be honest, I haven't been sleeping well and you probably haven't either. This AI gold rush is happening right now. ChatGpt 40 image search comes out. All these vibe coding tools, what do you do? And all the opportunity there is to build cash flowing businesses, profitable businesses has got me just chilling in my bed and looking up at the ceiling. So, uh, I have about 40 plus thoughts, uh, of where the world is going, um, and where the opportunities are. And I brought my friend Riley Brown, one of the top AI, uh, vibe coders, content creators, has hundreds of thousands of followers, uh, to come

0:44and and just chat with me and just let it let it out there. And so I think that for anyone who uh feels a bit overwhelmed uh knows that there's opportunity right now in the whole AI space uh that wants to just uh to just be here and and just learn what we're thinking about and how we're thinking about things um where we see the opportunities. You're going to love this episode. So Startup Ideas

1:13podcast, let's do it. [Music] We got Riley Brown on the pod and today we're going to talk about what's been keeping me up at night these days. So, there's been a ton of AI announcements over the last few weeks, few months. Riley's my go-to guy when I just need I need him to give me some sanity and I want his opinion on this. And I wrote this, you know, long thread. I think it's 40 some odd uh different hot takes about AI and and why it's keeping me up at night, why there's a tremendous amount of opportunity right now. And Riley, we're going to go through each of

1:58these and hopefully I can get your opinion on it. Uh so I can get a good night's sleep tonight. Let's do it. I'm in. So the first one, and I don't we're not going to get through all of them. Maybe we'll just go through a few today. And if people like this sort of thing, comment and let us know if we should continue, you know, doing this sort of stuff. The first one is chat GBT 40 Image Gen is as big as the Chat GBT launch. Probably will birth a,000 plus1 to$und00 million year vertical software businesses. Riley, what do you think about that? All I know, all I know is

2:32I'm very excited to use it for design in my both web apps and mobile apps. It is incredible at generating like gradients and really cool components, little characters. It can generate sprite sheets because I think a lot of people are super into games and I was using it to create little character sprite sheets so you could actually control the character and you can like animate characters and so there's so many use

2:59cases. So 100% agree on the first one. So, why this is keeping me up at night is because basically I think that there's like a a window of time that these businesses could be spun spun up. And I think that we just saw this week chat GPT where OpenAI raised how much did they raise again? Uh at a $300 billion

3:25valuation 40 billion I think 40 billion. So, OpenAI is going to be everything to everyone. They're going to be that platform. I think that there's an opportunity to build, you know, the something for a very specific niche. Um, so I just I think that right now, you know, playing with uh 40 image totally worth it trying to figure out what are

3:47some interesting weird use cases for it. Um, it's keeping me up at night. What's one what do you think one like it? Do you have any weird uh use case for GPT40 that like you think not a lot of people are thinking about? So I had this guy on the on this pod on

4:06the pod. What's his name? Just had him. Jacob Posel. That's it. And I've just been following what have you been following this guy? I have not been following him. Yeah. So, I've just been there's a picture of him. Oh, no. That's on him. He's retweeting a gym bro turn techn AI generated. That's necessary now. Oh, that's hilarious. So, yeah. So, Oh, wow. Okay, let's So, what are you seeing on the screen for the audio for the audio listeners? So, for the yeah, for the audio listeners, we're seeing uh presumably a GPT40 image of a can of energy water. So, it's like an energy drink with arms and legs riding a

4:55surfboard. And just if it were like, pause it for a sec. Uh like just that image is fire. And does it say what model they're using to turn it into a video? I don't see that, but I'm assuming that they're just using one of those video generators to turn a still image, a really high high quality studio image. Like if you three years ago, if you got a design agency to do this, I mean, just this gif, you're looking at thousands of dollars. But yeah, that's

5:30really cool. Yeah. So I I'm pretty sure they're using Hendra or and or Cling to do this. Um so let's just talk about this as one example like you can create I mean you can do a service business that is like hey like we'll you know do gifts on demand um for e-commerce companies that itself is probably a really big business. Um I think that you know uh 40 just for CPG companies like hey you know we're the place where um where if you want to like come up with ideas for packaging like Orca is a startup. Um so yeah maybe they hired an agency paid half a million dollars for

6:15you know this really cool design that they later put into 40. Um, but I think that, you know, 40 is getting good enough that you can just use it to mock up CPG design. So, I just, you know, I think that there's probably an opportunity there. Totally 100% agree. Quick break in the pod to tell you a little bit about Startup Empire. So, Startup Empire is my private membership where it's a bunch of people like me, like you who want to build out their startup ideas. Uh, now they're looking

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7:22seeing the traction uh that they need. So you can check out the link to startupmpire.co in the description. All right, let's continue back on the the list. Um I want to I want to talk about this one. Number three, every calendar, inbox, and CRM will be rebuilt from scratch in the next three years. Not AI enhanced, fully rethought. What do you think? I want Yeah, I want all of these to be rebuilt and I want it I want every I want all of my communication channels to be in one

7:58feed. And I definitely like it's insane. I have like six emails. I'm in 30 Slack groups. Um, I just really think uh if people really want to keep up with like online communication, we need we need I need this. So I need that to happen. And so I I've talked to a lot of people who agree. So I definitely think there's a huge demand for it. And so I definitely

8:26agree with that. I saw my buddy Brett Goldstein launch Micro HQ this week. I saw this very good uh did they do like a video demo for it? Yeah. Yeah, they did. It was really good. So, here it is. And so, is the basic premise is like you just have your different inbox on the side view. Um it looks clean actually. Yeah. I think I think uh I think the basic premise I haven't gone deep in it but I think the basic premise is like going into email is daunting and it's really in within email like it hasn't really changed that much. It's got a list of

9:08like like your email is your to-do list to-do list app. It is your everything app as he calls it. So, it's like how do you use AI and intelligence and also just like good design to to to I guess bring email to the next level. Totally. And like categorize things, prioritize things. I I think there's a huge need for it. I think um I mean Notion created their own um email platform and I've heard some people like it, some people don't. Uh, I think there's just going to be like I think all of the email clients should build this, but I'm excited for it to like

9:48include more than just email. Like one that really uh prioritizes calendar. Uh, Superhum's pretty good at that as well. It's just doesn't have that dashboard feel that this product looks like it has. I don't know if you use Superhum at all. No, I don't. I don't. Okay. Um, I probably should, but I I'm a Gmail guy and Gmail like I'm looking at this and this is interesting to me, you know? Um, like the idea that like my calendar is there that it's like being smart like I like the idea of something like this. Um, and that just goes back to um my my tweet, which is I think that now

10:30with intelligence, aka AI, there's just an opportunity to look at calendar, inbox, any CRM. And by the way, the this is like literally like a $700 billion, you know, plus industry will be rebuilt from scratch. So, you know, from a startup idea perspective is like, okay, how many niche CRM tools are there? How many niche inbox tools are there? How could you think about in, you know, integrating intelligence, making it more of a dashboard, making it more beautiful, vibe coding it? Um, by the way, side note, have you played

11:04with 21st.dev? 21st.dev. Uh, it's the component library. Yes, I've seen this. I haven't used it. also keeping me up at night, which is like you can just use you can like look at these uh animations. Um I think that what makes a great web app is a lot of the animations and the movements of it. And now you can go and just like grab these components and implement it uh super e, you know, easily. Um, so not only are you adding intelligence to your your your startup, but you're adding like delightfulness and beauty, the dashboard nature. This

11:48is this is what's keeping me up. Yeah. And I think I think component libraries are huge for just design in general, especially I think vibe coding as a whole needs a lot more component libraries. um like and I think eventually AI agents will have access to component libraries like this. So they'll be able to just select uh really cool components like this and place them on your web apps, your mobile apps uh and things like that. Um so yeah, definitely super bullish on component libraries in general. Like look at this pricing page. Yeah, it's fire. It's fire. Yes. You know, like I need to implement this on every single one of my

12:29SAS apps like yesterday. Um, and by the way, you can charge more when you like implement stuff like this. 100%. I mean, this is no easy feat though, like to build this library. I I can't I don't I wonder how many hours it took to create all these. I bet thousands, honestly. Yeah. So, people looking for startup ideas in think about inboxes, calendars,

12:56and CRM. Um, what other one here looks interesting to you? Let's talk about the spaghetti video. Okay, give us the rundown about, you know, remind people what the spaghetti video is and what, you know, which was 739 days ago, and give us a prediction of what you think could happen in 739 more days. Yeah, I think I think there's always been a battle between the AI hype guys, and if you think about it on a spectrum, I'm pretty far towards the AI hype uh versus AI cynicism. And the AI cynicism crowd posted this video I think very early on or someone uh someone hyped up in video generator and posted

13:42it on Twitter and it was Will Smith eating spaghetti and it looked hilariously bad. Like it was so bad it was unreal. And um yeah, and then over time and then the the AI cynics use that as an example of like okay AI is so bad it's never going to get good at um creating AI generated video and anytime you have that like even balance between positive and negative you're going to get a ton of virality. It's just going to be a part of the culture. And then slowly but surely, like a lot of other things in AI, the goalposts just keep getting moved back because slowly but surely,

14:20people kept posting Will Smith eating spaghetti. And then I think around the VO3 era, maybe I don't know 6 months ago, someone posted a Will Smith video and it was perfect. It was Will Smith eating spaghetti and it looked like 95% there, like realistic down to the noodle, I'm telling you. And so 7 and so like if you look back and it was 739 days ago seems like a lot but it's really not you know that's um what is that I mean that's not even two years not even two years and yeah I mean if we think like people are going to be creating movies with prompts

15:01739 days from now with perfect dialogue with perfect speech um with great background music like all of the models are going to be integrated into these videos. Um, and it's going to completely disrupt social media. I mean, do you think anything I said there was far-fetched? No. To me, not at all. To me, I'm kind of thinking about like is there going to be a rise of Faceless video, right? Like if I if I could direct uh a 25 minute incredible uh story about a particular topic in a niche, I understand. Um why why wouldn't

15:40I just like run a content farm? The pro I have I think there's a lot of problems with this uh this theor because I think 100% it's possible. My thing about this is I think social media platforms are going to start deboosting uh faceless accounts because I don't think people want faceless accounts. If you think about social media, people people think they want social media to just see like content, but there's something like about human nature about why we watch videos. People want to feel

16:15connected to other humans. And you also will like you're like, why don't I start a content farm? The content farms are going to be won by content farmers. Once you re once you meet a real content farmer who's running hundreds of thousands of accounts at once, you realize that this is an like winner take all type situation. It's the same people who run the Instagram bots on the accounts. They're going to create algorithmic stories that people enjoy because the content farmers have a data advantage, right? If you think about this like from a content creation, you have your script, you have your visuals, you have everything. And these content

16:55farmers, every single account that posts, they're going to learn from that. And so these mo like, think about it like Mr. Beast, you know how he learns from the the the uh retention metrics on all of his videos. Imagine having a content farm, but every video informs the next video and these accounts are doing it at scale. And so, in my opinion, like Gary Vee has this quote where he's just like, uh, AI influencers are going to be the next big thing. like Sally Jones is going to be running account for some AI avatar. I'm like, that's not how it's going to work at all. It's going to be uh a group of 10

17:27people overseas somewhere who are running millions of accounts to the point where it floods social media where Mark Zuckerberg's going to be like, "Oh, like we have to tone this back like or else it's just going to flood the internet uh with brain rot." And maybe that's the endgame, but like I think people would go somewhere else if that was the end game. Um, so that's what goes through my head there. Maybe that's somewhat cynical. I But when I met a real content farmer and he showed me the quality of videos he was making already with AI video, I was like I was like, this is going to get bad. So,

18:07but in 739 more days when all these tools, all these content creation tools are so good, won't 99% of content be AI generated? Like even even your mom might, you know, take a picture of herself or something and be like, I want to make this like a one minute movie or whatever. Totally. Anyone will be able to create them. I and I think there's going to be a market for these videos. My question is, will it be on the popular social media platforms? That's my question. I'm If I could bet I I I would bet on your podcast that is real humans coming together talking about things in real

18:55life, I would bet on Joe Rogan. I would bet on unscripted uh content that feels real if I could put my money on anything. I'm actually not focused on AI video really uh that much. um that's just like I only have a finite amount of attention and so like I would rather focus on like the human long- form podcasting like that is genuinely what I am super bullish on and I yeah I just really think like it's like being I just I I don't know may I just think it's going to be mass- prodduced and it's going to be hypnotizingly good content and so I just think the rules are going to be

19:37adjusted in that era. Yeah. And so yeah, uh number 10, most customer support will be automated within 36 months, not just tier one tickets, complex multi-step resolution that previously required senior support staff. What do you think? No brainer. Yeah, for sure. I mean, no doubt. And honestly, like I don't know about you, but it feels like customer service in general has just gone like postco has gone so it's like in the toilet. So if if instead of like I'm calling this this hotline and someone who like barely speaks English is talking to me and it's frustrating for them and it's frustrating for me if AI actually helps

20:28me get to what I need quickly. Um that would be dope. Obviously there's the downside of like I don't know where those people like those people are going to lose their jobs. Yeah. I mean, we could say that for a lot of things in the near term. Like, we could be worried about people losing their jobs, but like at the end of the day, we're trying to talk about what we think is actually going to happen, right? And okay, um, so we get we get a pass. If you're listening to this, we're just talking about the opportunities here. We know that people are going to lose their jobs and some people are

21:01going to evolve like like that customer service agent might evolve into another job, right? So, like Yeah. I mean, I yeah, at the end of the day, you have to be truthful. Like, neither Greg nor I in this episode are going to change what's going to happen. We're talking about uh what is not what ought to happen. And yes, what I'm excited about in general is just the um kind of the the same way that books were completely changed with AI. Instead of having to like swipe through the pages to find anything, you could immediately get your answer by talking to AI. The same thing is going

21:34to happen to websites and frequently asked questions for websites. Like you're going to be able to get your answer right away. Uh so a lot of the community service is just going to be, you know, going to a website and chatting with a chatbot. It's going to know exactly what you need right away. So I don't think there's going to be too much of a need for as many of the the calls. A lot of it's just going to be solved at the chatbot level, especially as people get used to talking to a chatbot more, which is we've seen recently it's massively growing. Okay, let's do this one. This one's not so

22:04much AI, but I'm I'm throwing in there as a bonus. The worst thing that can happen to your startup is medio mediocre success. Enough to keep you going, but not enough to change your life. Most founders are trapped there. Thinking about this a lot with respect to shutting down or doubling down on projects. That's me saying that. I'm thinking about this a lot. What do you

22:24think? I did it. Um, we pivoted. Uh the last app that we created, we're actually still building it. And like there's a lot of people on the app store who like it. Um and it was going well, but none of us were passionate about it. Uh we we ended up building something that we just weren't passionate. We thought it would be a quick project and it just took longer. So we decided to do something more ambitious that got us that we were excited to wake up every day to do. And um yeah, and now I'm like probably the greatest decision of my life if I'm if I

23:00had to guess looking back. Yeah. And I think a lot of us get caught up in our routines cuz like we commit to something and we're just kind of like another day working on this thing, another day working on this thing. But deep down we know that this isn't fun or it's not really like unlocking our ultimate potential. Dude, there's a project I'm working on right now where uh the engine the lead engineer who's working on it sends me sends us a a daily loom and with like the update and it's literally like I I look forward to my day for that loom. You know what I mean? Like all I

23:40care about is that loom. It is such a it is so exciting to me. And that's what, you know, that's when I was like, you know what? I want to spend more time on this project and and sort of shut down other projects that might be have, you know, might have millions of dollars of revenue and or hundreds of thousands of users, but I

23:58don't want to like focus on it. Yeah. And so the the there's always a it's always there's always the opposite, too. Like some people need to just they have a good idea and something that they would really like to do, but if they just keep pushing through it, they'll reach momentum in their business and then it'll become more fun. So, it's it's important not to give up too early on a project like before it becomes

24:22really fun, but also not spending years. I also see this in content creation a lot. A lot of content creators do not enjoy making content, but they've previously made the decision that they're going to just make content for a super long time when they should probably work on something they really like. And I think it would bring out a

24:40lot of their creativity. Um, totally. Number 14. I think you'll like this one. The sketching economy is the real AI revolution. when anyone can turn sketches into production ready designs, taste and ideation become the only scarce resources. And the uh insight I had here was um I've been sketching more myself, just like literally sketching. And I I want to get better at sketching cuz I'm realizing that if I sketch a thumbnail and throw it into ChatgBT40 um for YouTube and it's a really good sketch, I might get twice the amount of views uh or twice the amount of comments or twice the amount of likes. So, uh,

25:27the value of sketching, meaning taking out a piece of paper or using an iPad and sort of sketching out to me is is the most underappreciated art right now. Yeah, I think I think of sketching as just kind of mapping your ideas. And I think 100% and that's why I have three whiteboards behind me. I I sketch all the time. Um, and I think it goes beyond just literal sketching. Like if you think of all of these voice notes apps where people are kind of brainstorming their ideas and then getting AI to refine it. It's very similar to that process where you throw out your idea

26:06quickly, quick sketch, whether verbal, audio, however, whatever format and then AI refineses it and creates and brings it to life. 100. Very bullish. Dude, you're going to like number 16. Consumer consumer mobile is back in full swing. We went from desktop first apps to mobile first apps to now AI first mobile apps. When I mean by desktop first, I mean like think Facebook.com mobile first, think

26:33Instagram, now AI first mobile apps. Think Cal AI. The next wave of $100 million a year apps will start mobile first with AI baked in from day one. What do you think? Hey, I mean, if I didn't believe this one, I wouldn't be working on the Vive Code app. Um, but yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. And I also think a ton of um smaller like fun apps that are like very very niche. And I think you've been talking about this on Twitter a lot too about how just software in general is going to become really really niche because you can you'll be able to create multiple variations of your software and

27:12actually like really tailor it to the type of user whatever niche the users in. And so I think a lot of people are going to make are going to carve out niches and maybe they they're making you know six figures a year building a simple app that's like tailored for specific niches. So I'm super bullish on consumer mobile uh and consumer web for

27:33that matter for sure. Yeah. So I I agree with you like obviously I really I really believe in like the vertical strategy. I will say number 19 AI is creating win or take most markets overnight. The window to establish yourself as the go-to solution in a specific vertical is maybe 6 to 12 months before it closes for a decade or who knows. this isn't helping my sleep that you know that's and then I said lol because I I do think that the big horizontal platforms the chat GPTs and the clothes and the geminis of the world are going to uh basically you know they're going to

28:17create agent they're going to be you know agent platforms basically that will uh that you could use to do specific vertical tasks that's why I think right now is such a great time to build an AI startup I agree. And if you're inclined to like follow, if you follow Greg, you're probably really into business or you're really into AI. Never forget how different early adopters are than the late the the masses. And I think there is a massive opportunity for taking um some of the popular apps right now are complicated to use for the normal person. So like really simplifying the use case. I think there's a ton of value

28:57in that. Uh, and that's, you know, one of our core thesis. Um, number 20, really smart strategy is to rebuild traditional products with AI is your unfair advantage. Hiding the complexity behind familiar interfaces. I was actually thinking about mobile apps when I wrote this. Basically, just look at proven apps that have no AI. Make them AI first. if it adds a ton of value to the end customer. I put that in brackets. What's a good example? Let's think of a good example of one. I I just kind of want to like mentally go through this. Okay. Uh um well, the obvious example is Calai. Totally. Yeah. I mean,

29:40you're you pre-cali, you would just have an app that was essentially a database that you'd basically put in and say, I just ate a cupcake and a cupcake is 300 calories. Or it would be a database of like, you know, crispy creams are 300 calories. Let me just add that. The fact the the idea of take a photo and then it figures that out for you was the innovation. Totally. And I the thing that immediately comes to mind is something like Canva or uh you know that that like you know you pull out your phone, you create some graphic and you add multiple elements to it where GPT40

30:22is going to be able to just generate all of those in one and maybe you start with a sketch but it immediately generates and then you can ideally split or uh separate the layers and then move them around. And I think I think graphics there's a lot of alpha and that goes back to the the first one which was GPT40. I think GPT40 is going to do this

30:43a ton across many verticals. Let's do two or three more. Cool. Um number 22. We'll soon hit the tipping point where custom AI tools I also meant like AI agents, but custom AI tools and AI agents are cheaper than hiring humans even for small businesses. What I what I meant by this is I think that we're going to get to the point where uh instead of I mean we're getting to that point. We're in this point where instead of hiring a designer, you might just be like, you know what, I'm just going to

31:18use Vzero. Yeah. I I think I think for when people are getting started I think it's a good idea I it wasn't until recently when I started working with like really talented designers and um I just think if you're a really really good designer like use AI all day and really amplify the amount of clients that you're uh that you're like helping out. I I think I think does I think the ultimate combo right now is just being really good with AI and being a really good designer

31:49100%. You want to pick one and then I'll pick the last one? Sounds good. Um, if vibe coding will be a $100 a hundred billion dollar opportunity, how big of an opportunity is Vibe Marketing? Yes. Let's talk about Vibe Marketing. So, dude, okay. Okay. Okay. Can I can I preface this one? Yeah. Okay. So, Greg and uh Boring Marketer Jordan uh mix, they've been talking a lot about vibe marketing and I think I want to I want to first say I think what you guys are talking about is very important. I love automations. I use automations but but I think vibe coding is very fun. I think

32:34setting up automations is quite boring. And so that's why I was just saying I don't like the name for vibe marketing because it doesn't there's something about vibe vibe coding that's free. You just kind of vibe code and you add things and you you just kind of see what happens, you know, and vibe marketing is very like structured and you like it saves you a ton of time. I would pay a lot of money for an agency to teach me about it and save me money and time, but that was my only beef with Vibe Marketing. I don't want to make it sound like I think it's a waste of time. I

33:06mean, for context, there was a fight that was happening on X between all of us where uh Riley was basically anti he he basically was saying, you know, Vive marketing is a is a is a is a term made up by marketers. I think I even responded. I said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was only beefing with the term, not the the acts that you were talking about because I saved all of Boring Marketers

33:32um images. Like those have been great. I'm just like this is not a good name, but they were talking about it on CNBC and so maybe it'll take off. I don't know. Totally. Which is hilarious cuz we had talked about Vibe Marketing in like a group chat a while ago and we're like we're going to talk more about Vibe Marketing and just see if it like picks up. Do it. And then all and then all of a sudden it's on CNBC and there was like a Forbes article with like all of our stuff on it. So me me hating on it would actually probably make it more you need

34:04some haters or else it's not going to catch on. You know I will say one thing about you know the boring nature of Vibe marketing. I know someone who's an accountant and to me like I need to do my taxes right now and it's like the I'm always pushing it off. It is the most it it takes the energy away from me. So, you know, I'm a creative. You're a creative. Um, you understand that, right? But this person who I'm thinking of, he absolutely loves being an accountant. He loves tax law. He loves just understanding and and and looking at audits and stuff like that. To him,

34:42it's really interesting. Just like to to to the boring marketer or to Jordan, they love that. So, that's my take on Vibe marketing. Anyways, to answer this, honestly. Honestly, I Fair enough. And you know what? If they make a good enough platform for Vibe auditing, I I'm in. Like, count me in. Yeah. How big of an opportunity is Vibe Marketing? I think it's a massive opportunity. I don't know how big it is. Yeah, it's massive. Um I like like I agree with everything that uh you guys have been talking about. I actually met with the founder of Lindy when I was in San

35:14Francisco last week. Super cool dude. Um, and like what they're working on with with agent swarms. Uh, and a lot of that I think Vibe Marketing is kind of in the email and CRM space too, like handling a lot of that work and u making just getting rid of all of the boring stuff. I think I think it's all great and a massive industry. Um, probably as big as vibe coding. You've come a long

35:38way, my friend. You've come a long way. All right, last one. AI number 33. AI will kill the homepage. Interfaces will get replaced by entry points that change based on who you are, what you need, and when you show up. Oh, like, okay. A personalized homepage for me. H I guess I really haven't thought about that. I just pictured all homepages just kind of having a chat like experience. But

36:07that's I like that though. Um Yeah. What uh can you explain that a little more? like what? Yeah. So, my take is the ad market is extremely personalized. Um, and the reason why it became very personalized is just because it's like a trillion dollar industry. So, Facebook invested and Google invested in in taking your data honestly and making the experience really personalized. Um, I think a similar thing is going to happen uh with web and mobile apps where when I and it's it's it's starting to already happen like when I open up um let's just say I go to um I'm trying to think of like the vac

37:00vacation vacation's like a sunscreen company um the products it sells me because I live in Miami, Florida, it can get that data uh should be different than the products. Uh it might tell you because you're in Did you move to Austin? I'm I'm in Austin, but I'm moving to San Francisco uh to grow the company. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, San Franc, you know,

37:24San Francisco, for example. Um so, uh it also knows that like I might listen to the vacation playlist. Um, so when I go to the website, it should play my favorite song. So it's just I think what I'm trying to say here is that uh websites and apps are getting smarter and smarter and the foundation

37:47of that will be AI and personalization. I actually I 100% agree and I also think even if it's just selling one product, the product photos will change depending on who you are. Uh because it's so easy to create variations of these product photos. So yeah, I agree 100%. Okay. Should we do one last one? Even though I said we wouldn't. I'm in. Okay, last one around schools just cuz I dropped out of college. So, schools I think about it a lot. School number 38. Schools won't be disrupted by AI. They'll be disintermediated. Smart teens will skip formal education, build audiences, run experiments, learn faster. Kids say they

38:26want to become creators, but creators are becoming entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurship becomes the most popular profession. That was kind of a rant when I started writing that. Um, but the idea here is that um, kids are saying they want to be creators. They what but what that really means is they're going to become founders. And a lot of kids in schools are not going to go to college and or they're just going to be running experiments, vibe coding, vibe marketing, putting stuff out there, trying to make money. Yeah. Um, hm. I actually do think they're going to be disrupted. Are you following what's going on with the alpha school uh in

39:06it's actually in Austin. It was a big Twitter post, but like they're getting like young kids who are all like they have two hours of work per day where they just learn from an AI. All of the students are doing better. They're off thechart smarter. Uh um and a lot of them are creators ironically because and part like every semester in this school you like at like 14 15 you're starting companies like you're starting a food truck. Uh, and so I do think and maybe it'll be like a really luxury school like it'll be above what we think of as private school now, but I do think AI

39:43will disrupt it. But I do also agree with everything else you said about people wanting to become um creators entrepreneurs. I do think it's just I think Peter Levelvels tweeted it last week where he said being an entrepreneur is uh a safer job than actually having a job. And I I really I mean obviously you need to have like some good foundations, but I do think there's some truth to that because I don't feel at risk of losing income right now because I know that I could adapt in so many ways. And I think that that is kind of how we should teach kids uh to use AI to like

40:20be adaptive um especially at a young age like you are adaptive at a young age. So yeah, I guess that's my take. 100%. All right, Riley Brown. That's the pod. Uh, what' you think? Hey, man. I enjoyed it. I enjoy talking to you. I I enjoy uh getting behind the scenes in in in your uh uh famous Twitter threads. I love it. If you can't fall asleep, if you're like us, just super excited to wake up running through doors. Uh please

40:50let us let us know. Um, Riley, anything? Uh, we we'll include all your social links in in the show notes, but is there anything else you you're you know, you want to leave people with? Yeah, I mean uh we just launched uh two days ago launched Vibe Code app uh which is the first ever app that builds mobile apps directly on your phone. We are we were going to release it in waves. Um we got way too many signups for us to handle it. So, we're racing to scale the servers. We're going to release it on the app store. It's available for pre-order. Um, and yeah, we're trying to

41:26put something at the level of clawed code or cursor on your phone to build mobile apps. So, that's what I'm going to be working on for the foreseeable future. Beautiful. By the way, you know, there's a running joke that people make fun of me how I say claude. I call it clo. Oh, you say clo. Yeah, I think I've heard that before. Yeah, it's it's highly embarrassing. It's like it's like, you know, it's like going to a coffee shop and ordering like a

41:54cappuccino and a quason. A quessle. Well, I like the sound of cresant. I don't like the sound of code. Yeah, most people don't. All right, Riley. This is this has been fun. Until next time. Appreciate you. Peace. Peace.