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0:00They say your attention span is 8 seconds long. That's shorter than a goldfish. You've probably heard that stat because it was everywhere for a while. Time magazine, The New York Times, every marketing conference on Earth, and the implication was really clear. We are cooked. Phones have ruined us. We are now dumber than a tiny little fish. But there's one problem with this. See, a journalist at the BBC decided to actually look into the stat. He traced the stat back to a 2015 report which cited a website called Statistic Brain. So then he went to Statistic Brain and dug up their sources, the National Library of Medicine and the Associated Press, as
0:40well as a few others, and then like any good journalist, he picked up the damn phone and started calling them. And guess what? Nobody had any idea where the goldfish stat came from. There was no study, there was no data collected, somebody literally just made it up. And then Microsoft threw it into a report, and then Time magazine wrote about that report, and now your uncle is citing it at Thanksgiving dinner as if it's the end of civilization. Oh, and the
1:04goldfish? Also made up. No one has measured a goldfish attention span at 9 seconds. Goldfish actually remember things for months. They learn tricks. They recognize faces. The fish are totally fine. In fact, I think we owe them an apology. So the scary stat is fake. Great, but something else is clearly going on, right? You can feel it. You pick up the phone to check one thing and then 20 minutes disappear. You sit down to like read an email or something and next thing you know, you're watching videos of cats doing backflips on
1:37TikTok, except the cats are Nazis. This is not an imaginary thing. In fact, there is real data on this. A researcher at UC Irvine named Gloria Mark has spent 20 years measuring one thing, how long a person stays on a single screen before switching to something else. Not how long they can focus, but how long they
1:56choose to focus. In 2004, it was 2 and 1/2 minutes. By 2012, it had dropped to 75 seconds. Her most recent number, replicated across five independent studies, 47 seconds. That is how long, on average, we all last before we decide to go somewhere else. And when we hear a number like that, the obvious conclusion is, "Yeah, my brain is fried. The phone's got
2:18me. I must have brain rot." Except, you also binged an entire season of television last weekend. You sat down in the same spot for 4 or 5 hours focusing on whatever it was. You didn't check your phone once the entire time. You then went out and hung out with that really hot person you're into, and 2 hours suddenly vanished. You've played a video game so long that you forgot to eat lunch. So, the problem is not the attention span. Your your attention span is not 47 seconds. It's also 5 hours on the same day with the same brain, which means attention has nothing to do with
2:53your brain's capability. And it has everything to do with what you are choosing to focus on. And that 47 seconds number is not measuring a dumpster fire of an attention span, it is measuring something else entirely. So, if it's not brain damage or brain rot, then, well, what's going on here? Well, there's some research out of Peking University that I think gets closer to the answer than anything else I've come across. They took 72 students and split them into two groups. One group read for 30 minutes, and the other
3:21group watched TikTok for 30 minutes. Then both groups took a short reasoning test. The TikTok group scored lower. And you hear that, and you think, "Okay, reading good, TikTok bad. Got it. Not surprised." But then, they did a follow-up. They took the same clips, the exact same content from TikTok, and showed them to two new groups. One group watched them as a single continuous video. They just hit play, sat back, and enjoyed the show. And the other group got them in a feed. They could swipe, they could skip, they could like and comment, they could move on, they could do whatever they wanted. Same videos, same content, same everything else. But
3:59the group that could swipe did far worse on the reasoning test. It was not the content. Short-form videos are not destroying civilization and they are not destroying our brains. It was not TikTokers being stupid or shallow or putting a bunch of low-quality onto the internet. It was the swipe mechanic. The ability and repeated act of deciding to leave over and over and over. That is
4:24what caused people's reasoning to drop. And if you think about it, that kind of makes sense. Because what are you actually doing when you scroll on one of these apps? You're not really watching the videos. You're making decisions about the videos every few seconds. Do I stay? Do I go? Do I stay? Do I go? Do I stay? Do I go? And 90% of the time, the answer is go. Swipe, next,
4:49move on. What you're doing is reps, hundreds of them, every single day. And the thing that you're getting better at with each rep is very specific. The moment that something gets slightly boring, slightly slow, slightly uncomfortable, just leave. Don't sit with it, don't push through, just bail, man. There's something better one flick of the thumb away. And if there isn't, there's
5:12something better one flick after that. This is also why it feels so good. I mean, the short-form feeds they they have the same reward mechanism as a slot machine. It's called variable ratio reinforcement. You don't know which swipe is going to land on something great. And so your brain, it doesn't actually release the dopamine when you find the great video, it releases dopamine in anticipation of the possibility of finding one. So every single swipe is a tiny pull of the lever. Tiny little pull of that that
5:40little crack lever inside of your brain. The next one might be it, or maybe the next one, or maybe the next one. And that might is what keeps your thumb moving. But wait. It actually gets even worse than this because here's the really unfair part. Human memory is shocker, not actually accurate. In fact, we have a particular bias towards remembering not the entirety of an experience, but actually just the peak moments of an experience. After a 30-minute scroll session, what do you
6:08remember? That's right. Like basically nothing. You remember like two or three clips that were actually amazing, or the ones that had you laughing so hard that you snorted and coughed up a piece of your breakfast. What you don't remember are the 50 videos that sucked and you swiped past. So, your memory of scrolling is actually way, way better than the actual experience of scrolling, which means that when you're sitting there trying to read a book or work on something important, you're not competing with what scrolling actually is, you're competing with the highlight reel of what scrolling felt like. And almost nothing can win that comparison. So,
6:43let's just be honest about what's happening. You have one practice behavior, leaving, just like your father. Sorry, that was that was savage. And you've done it thousands and thousands of times. And now you have gotten really, really good at it. You are elite at leaving things. You are a Navy Seal of leaving boring behind. That is not brain rot. That is a habit. It's a really bad habit. And it just so happens that it's a habit that
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8:09free by going to brain.fm/idgaf. That's brain.fm/idgaf. Listen to something productive, and give your focus a fighting chance. So, the obvious question is how do you stop? And well, there is an entire industry built around answering that question. App blockers, screen time limits, Pomodoro timers, "Lock in, bro" influencers, dopamine detoxes, gray-scaling your phone, cold showers at 5:00 a.m., whatever Huberman is telling you to do this weekend. And I'll be
8:41honest. Some of that stuff can work. I mean, I I even made my own app that does some of that Go to purpose.app, check it out. But, what bothers me is when is the last time you needed an app blocker to get through a great conversation? Have you ever Pomodoro'd your way through a video
8:59game that you love? Have you ever needed to gray-scale your phone to pay attention to your mother's doctor's appointment? No, because when something matters, the phone loses. It just loses. You don't have to fight against it. You don't have to use willpower. You You forget the phone exists because the thing in front of you is so much more meaningful. I feel this in my own life all the time. I mean, there are parts of this job that lose me in like 10 minutes. I'll be working on something, and then as if by some gravitational pull, I end up back on
9:29YouTube for the 11th time in a row. But, then there are other parts of my job where I look up and 4 hours have gone by, and I forgot to eat. I forgot to piss. I forgot I even existed. Same brain, same same computer, same phone, different outcome. So, what's the variable? It's not discipline, it's not willpower, it's not a gray screen or a cold shower. The variable is whether the thing I'm doing feels like it matters, and that reframes the whole problem. Because if the phone is only winning when nothing else is competing, then the question isn't how do I fight against the phone? The question is, what
10:05keeps losing to my phone and why? And that is actually a much scarier question, because it's it's not really a behavioral question. It's a life question. What keeps losing to the phone is really just asking, what have you chosen to fill your days with that isn't more interesting than your phone? And is any of it something you actually chose,
10:27or is it just an accumulation? The job you kind of fell into, the routine that just built up around you, the goals you inherited from somewhere, but never really examined or questioned. If nothing in your life is putting up a fight against a 4-in screen, the screen might not actually be the problem. And this is like the weird counterintuitive part of this. Like, what if brain rot is not the effect of
10:51our phone usage? What if it's the cause? The phone doesn't cause the brain rot, the phone is the anesthetic for the brain rot. It gave you an infinitely deep hole to pour your boredom into so that you never have to look at what's wrong with your life. You're not scrolling toward something, you're scrolling away from something. This is why deleting the apps doesn't really work over the long run. You remove the phone and you're left with the same restlessness. Except now you have nothing to numb it with, so you find something else, like video games or crypto, porn, whatever. So, here's the funny thing. Like, I never struggled
11:25with my phone, ever, until I stopped drinking, which is crazy. I was 40 when I started struggling with my phone. And looking back, I think it's because the drinking was the thing that removed me from the uncomfortable things in my life. And when I stopped drinking, I needed something else to remove me from it. So, hello Tik Tok, hello Instagram, hello YouTube, my old friend. And I think we all fall into a bit of a downward spiral because the more we fall into brain rot, the more we fall into phone addiction, the more we lose that muscle to build anything meaningful or sustaining in its place. See, people always look at this
12:06issue as if it's a problem of training your attention, of learning to sit with a with a long boring book for longer periods of time. And sure, that might be a facet of it, but I actually think it's a broader, more existential issue of simply finding meaningful things to commit to in your day-to-day life. If you can't finish a book, if you keep bailing on hobbies, if you uh don't keep up with your friends and
12:30family, that's not an attention issue. That is a follow-through issue. And I think we lose this because the muscle for staying with something doesn't immediately reward you in the short term. Like sticking with a hard book, you don't really appreciate the effort that went into it until you're like 400 pages into it. Or the value and meaning that comes from a deep relationship doesn't really accrue until you've made time for that person over and over and over again for months on end. Long-term returns that come from meaningful experiences, they have the opposite experiential profile of the dopamine casino that we all live in. The less you stick with things, the
13:09more everything feels boring. The more everything feels boring, the more you give in to cravings for immediate stimulation and and and entertainment. And the more you give in to immediate stimulation, the less able you are to stick with things. So, the phone is not the entrance to the cycle, it's just the most visible manifestation of the cycle. So, how do we actually fight against this? Like, what can we tangibly do? I
13:34mean, yes, there's the app blockers. Yes, you can like do your Pomodoro But, like on a real deep kind of personal and existential level, what are the things that you can do in your life to inoculate yourself from phone addiction, to fight against the brain rot before it even begins in the first place? And I think the first thing to do is to do an attention audit. And what I mean by an attention audit is actually note the places and experiences throughout your day-to-day life that you reach for the phone. Like, what are the situations that you feel compelled to open up your phone and start
14:11scrolling or start refreshing everything because those are the moments that you were probably avoiding a specific behavior or a specific sensation. And then once you notice what those moments are, take note of what you're feeling in those moments, right? boredom? Is it anxiety? Is it sadness? Is it loneliness? Because that is actually the underlying issue. The phone is the phone's the symptom. It's the phone is the the outward manifestation, but that that inner experience, that inner feeling is the real issue. And then the second step is to intentionally create space where you have to confront that feeling. So, if let's say you use your phone to avoid
14:51your social anxiety. You notice that anytime you're around people that you're not totally comfortable with, you pull the phone out and you start scrolling compulsively. And so, you just kind of disconnect from the world around you. Now that you've identified that, the next step is to intentionally put yourself in that situation, but then remove the phone. Don't just remove the phone and hope good things happen. You have to remove the phone and address the underlying feeling that is inspiring the phone brain rot. And then as you are in that experience, notice the discomfort, notice the difficulty, and make a plan to stick through it. Make an agreement
15:25with yourself that, "Hey, I'm going to do this hard thing for the next month or for the next 2 months." And then only reintroduce your phone usage when you are satisfied with your ability to build that muscle to confront that uncomfortable situation. Now, everything I've just described is not a novel or new idea. In fact, everything I just walked you through is pretty much the protocol to treat any addiction. And the funny thing about addiction is that people who are addicted to something, whether it's alcohol or gambling or porn or whatever, there is a sense that something is wrong with your brain, that there is like some
16:03sort of permanent damage that is taking place, that something is broken within you. And the irony is that it's that belief that something is fundamentally broken that often keeps people stuck in the addiction because it removes any sense of hope or possibility of change. But the truth is is that with any addiction, it is just a matter of peeling away the behavior long enough to look at the underlying emotional
16:28experience and actually deal with it. And then fundamentally, once you have dealt with it, the brain begins to heal itself. The brain is actually pretty magnificent. You can kind of just remove the negative influences and let it heal itself. They're incredibly durable. And they're very special. So, don't let yours rot away.
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