7 Hermes uses you must try (that actually work)

0:00Hey Hermes, go to my computer, open up VS Code, and in Claude Code plugin, type this loopcopygoogle.com. Do not stop until you copy their whole business. Make no mistakes. Now, let's see what happens on the computer. It's thinking and it typed it in. It could control cloud code. Presented by Zapier, the AI automation

0:25company. Hermes has been an amazing agent. I freaking love mine. I'm going to go over actual use cases of how I and other entrepreneurs are using it and I've got Eric Sue who runs a company largely using agents like Hermes to give us feedback on how people are using it. This is control your computer. You just tell it what apps to do and to use and it'll use them. I think this is one of the most exciting things to come out of Hermes since the last most exciting thing. And the reason that I showed this example is I feel like I've got all these extra credits of from Claude. I

0:52don't use them in the middle of the night. I think I'm gonna have like a list of things that Hermes agent can tell Claude to do and now I could have it work at night and using loop I could have it work until it finishes. I'm super excited about this as a use case.

1:05What do you think? I haven't used this yet. Um, but I think this is great. I think what's probably more important is probably the loops piece because I made a resolver that basically looks at all the work I'm doing inside of Cloud Code and also inside of Codeex or Hermes as well. And then it so it's just kind of observing what I'm doing throughout the day and it tells me at the end here are the things that you should loop. These are the things that you should continue and then based on what you're doing over here with this workflow, you can have it continue, right? So I think it's almost

1:31like a a little combination of things going on here. So I think this is smart. I didn't even know this came out a few just just came out on um on Tuesday. All right, this is one use case. Let's go on and take a look at other people's and uh use cases. I really like what uh what

1:44Alex has done here. And look at this. It built the entire report out. Gave it a highlevel overview. report about his competitor. Exactly. All the tech behind it, which is all accurate, but has the payments, how much everything costs. It has all the analytics, the the events, the Look at the look on his face of delight of seeing what his competitor is doing because he's going to copy some of their best features are collecting. This is amazing. If we were to go say, "Hey, put this in a markdown file." Then we take that markdown file with hands to claude coder codeex. It can build out everything creator buddy is doing. Well,

2:19you he's just basically saying, I want you to go and look at my competitor, tell me what they've got, and then give me a markdown file that I can tell Claude code so that it can go and copy the fi the things that I like. The setup for something like this. Super easy. Open a browser and go to

2:31creatorbuddy.io. This is him just giving the prompt. Do a full research and technical breakdown of the site. What stack does it use? How does it work? Which features does it have? What can we emulate? Okay. Simple prompt, simple control of a browser. What do you think of this as a use case for Hermes? I think by itself it's useless. I think when you make it a repeatable cron job for example or an automation or a loop or or a routine whatever it is exactly if you're running it daily or maybe running this one's probably you're running it like a weekly or monthly type of thing depending on

3:03what you're doing it becomes way more useful. I found that whenever I made these it was really cool in the moment but I found with Hermes I'll do a lot of these one-offs but a lot of them go into the ether. I tend to forget about it. Right. What's cool is when I'm working with Hermes and you have the crown jobs going to a channel where where you're seeing the the the alerts every single day and there's actually it's trying to move the ball forward every day or even if you're having it in codeex that's been a lot more useful to me because what ended up happening before was I

3:29made too many of these different reports that ended up going nowhere because I took no action because it was just too much stuff. Got it. So it's now a lot of extra homework for you versus the Hermes agent taking things on. Speaking of the Hermes agent taking things on, I have opinions about this thing that he does. So, here's the routine that has changed my life. You wake up, go to your computer, open up your canban board, get all your to-do items for that day, and start putting them in triage. So, here's how I'll do. I'll say script a new

3:57Hermes YouTube video about use cases. I'll click create, and I'll make a new one. Come up with three tweets about Hermes use cases. create. That's two in there. Okay. Bottom line, what he's doing is he's putting it in there and he's letting his Hermes agent take it on. What's your opinion before I give mine? I think this this is AI theater. And what I mean by that is it looks like you're doing a lot, but you're actually doing a lot of nothing. This is to me it's a lot of wasted energy because first of all, I've used this combine board and and this version of it and and

4:31it maybe it's gotten better over time, but this version of the Hermes combine board, it's not that useful and it actually misses a lot of context when you click into the cards. I actually don't even understand what it's saying. And so it will eventually become more useful, but in this context, I don't see it being that useful. I honestly see the Hermes desktop app where you can see the

4:48different things that you're working on. Kind of like how it is with Codeex and Cloud Code. That's a lot more useful for me. And then the resolver thing that I brought up where it will just give you like a like a like a daily priority list um for maybe when you have an hour at the end of the day where you can just kind of knock things out. I think that's a lot more useful versus having to go through a conbon board like this that I

5:05don't understand. Wait, wait. What's the resolver thing that you just mentioned? Yeah, so I use codeex to build this thing cuz my issue was was and Andrew, I'm sure you're dealing with this. You're building all this cool stuff and I have Cloud Code open, I have Codeex open, I have Hermes open, but I have so many open threads that I forget what I'm working on and I forget the priorities of these things. And so at the end of the day, it would just kind of organize everything together and say, "Hey, these are actually the priorities and I think you should actually consolidate some of these because you might have worked on

5:32them in duplicate scenarios." Um, and that way I feel like I'm continuing to move the ball forward. And some of these things you can loop if you want, but uh, my issue before was I was just getting lost. Wait, wait. What What do you mean by what's taking things out of Codeex, out of Claude Code, and Hermes and combining

5:48them into open assignments? Yeah. So, I I was at this AI mastermind um with with a few founders. This was like a month or two ago. And um, one guy was talking about how there's a company called Terramine where like just keep watching what you're doing on your screen. And then obviously you heard about Meta taking like screenshots of their employees. I'm like forget doing that. I just want to do this for myself because I need to know like all the things I'm doing and all the things way ways of being inefficient. So maybe there's things I need to skillify but also there's things I need to come back

6:16to on the codeex cla side of things cuz I just forget cuz we have so many things going on in parallel right now. Um, and so when I I just kept building on it. First I built the thing that kept watching me and skillifying things and I'm like, "Hey, what if we built something where it helps me just check open threads and helps me prioritize them and I was like, hey, what should I call it?" It's like, you should call it resolver. I'm like, that sounds good to me. I Wow. Okay. I agree with you on the combon board and I want to emphasize this. It was one of the things that drew

6:45me to updating Hermes. The combon board is absolutely useless. It looks beautiful. It's not good because it's on the single computer. It doesn't do the things that I want. I prefer to put it in notion and we're going to see what you do. Let me actually show one other thing that he that he does. I also the other thing that I think is why write it on a piece of paper? Just send it over

7:03to to uh to um Hermes via Telegram. Having said that, what I do like about his point of view here is find ways to offload things to the agent. I'll even tell you a simple thing that bothers me. They're groceries. My wife hates when I eat something and then I don't replace it. I just said Hermes add it to our shopping cart and the stinking shopping cart app from whatever market that we use sucks. I can do it here. Okay, let's take a look at something that's more

7:28meaningful from him. I really like this. You have a different take on it. Let's take a look at and basically just have a hub for everything you've done with this. Is mine right here and I'll show you how to set it up in a second, but basically you can go in see a whole bunch of topics you've talked about in the past. see each and every one of your daily logs and what you've worked on [snorts] every single day. And it's basically like an automated diary of everything that he has done. Here's a little bit of how he set it up. And then I'll show how

7:57I want to build a memory wiki. This should be a site I can visit that has a list of all the subjects we've talked about and the daily logs of what we've done together. So he basically prompts it and it creates that daily wiki for him. What do you think of that? Should I be creating a daily wiki this way? So, I don't know if he's talking about Obsidian here, but I use Obsidian and it will basically it logs there's a daily log and then also a lot of the decisions that I made go into my Obsidian. Um, and so it seems like this is a version of that. I don't know

8:27what he's using here. He's basically having Hermes do it for him. Here's your setup here. Uh, you actually use Are you still using QMD memory? Here's what you said. You want to use Obsidian for memory. So, this is really important because your Hermes isn't going to have the best memory in the world. So you definitely want to upgrade the memory using uh Toby Luke's QMD. So there's a GitHub repo for

8:46that. Literally it's the letters QMD. And then if you have an Obsidian, then every day there's a daily log. All the decisions that you're making, you're logging it into obsidian. That way you have Obsidian and that way you have linear as well. Then you have a closed loop system that continually improves and there's all this other scaffolding. Imagine that it's almost like every day you're working with this. You're constantly upgrading over time. You're and this is this is what you did in your video. That's what you explained. Are you still using QMD? How is it different

9:09from what he just described? Yeah. So I have there there's a I have QMD which is to T toby's uh memory tool and it it and then I have uh there's Gbrain I use GStack. There's a handful of these uh different repos that I use. Um and then the biggest piece um so I wouldn't say QMD replaces uh Obsidian or or Linear. Obsidian to me is just that running log every day. It's just recording decisions over time. Linear it will just place things into projects um if if I need to. Uh that way I can collaborate with other people on it. Um, and then QMD just makes it it's just it

9:42makes my Hermes less dumb. It's easier to find things, whereas before without it, it even with my open claw, it had trouble finding things sometimes. It just felt like it was stupider. So, and so you need QMD and uh Gbrain and it's all creating log documents for Hermes to go and look at. I like GBrain ultimately. I think what

10:04uh GBrain to me is not a memory thing. It's more so GBrain. What Gary made with GBrain and GStack is just a list of really good skills that you can use. CEO review, design review, and things like that. So, to me, these are a nice stack uh for me to get things done better. Okay. All right. Uh you mentioned linear. You do use linear to keep track of things. I like it. Uh here's what you explained in your video for why you use

10:25it. So, for number four, you want to have your Hermes work with a project management product like a Lineion. And I like linear because they have a simple API that you can use and a lot of people use it for building products. And so the cool thing is I can combine linear with my cloud. I can combine it with my my cloud code, my codeex from from OpenAI and I can also combine it with my agent as well. And then whatever it is that we're we're working on things, it's going to create a linear file so we can keep things moving over time and it's going to have me review the linear files

10:53and that way we can keep things moving. Right. Still using it. I have I have one piece of feedback on this that I've learned from these interviews. I need a way to get my data from Claude the desktop app which I use sometimes into Hermes which I want to take on action and all that stuff. What I found is since I use um notion for my combine board of tasks, what I do when I'm done with Claude and I come to some resolution, I just say create a task for Hermes in my in my notion and it has access to notion. It creates a task. So now I've learned

11:25something from Claude. I've figured out something. I want to take action. I don't have to go and do it. I just tell it to pass it on to Hermes. It's no problem. It works flawlessly. Yeah. The way I So, we have um linear my setup was working good until here's what happened. I'm just going to show you this. This thing went down. So, my

11:43Hermes was on this DGX Spark over here. And then I don't by the way I I've read something recently about how uh you know the I think how fast you're you're like using these agents might be burning out the the SSDs on these. I have no idea. Um, but I had to like open it up and try to replace it and all that. So, all that [clears throat] to say is I had linear setup correctly. Um, where it was basically putting uh it was automatically updating like big projects that were working on it and and updating it that way. Um, I don't use it as much

12:10right now only because I haven't gotten to fixing my Hermes like my Hermes is like 80% back. Um, so, you know, this is something I'm going to get back. Yeah, this is one of my big frustrations. I do not want Hermes on my computer here. I like it now because I'm getting to play around with it, but I want to put it in

12:24the cloud at some point. Um, all right. Next is how do you communicate with it. I'm still using Telegram and I've got here's what you do now. Like I'm redesigning a media kit. Somebody recently they want to do a media deal with us and that's the media kit and I don't want to spend too much time on it. So I just dragged our old media kit from maybe two years ago and that somebody else made and I said, "Hey, just uh can you pull some recent numbers from all the other platforms that we have right now and just update the media kit and just make it look nice

12:49and use our design." Okay. I like how this is in Slack and the way that you're communicating with it. Let me play you what Brian Castle has said about Slack and his alternative and then I want to hear your take based on that. But first, oh, I got to tell you about Zapier. Dude, here I love Zapier MCP because it gives access to Hermes agent to my email. Here's the [snorts] number one use that I found for uh Zapier MCP. You and I did an interview. I never sent you a message afterwards saying thank you. It's published. Here's the link. Never mind promoted. Here's the link with a thank

13:18you. You're nodding, right? Here's why I get embarrassed after I do an interview and post it because I think I could have asked a better question. I could have done this. I should have done that. Let me wait. Let me wait till it has a few more views. Then he'll be really impressed. What I did was I said to Hermes, "Every day at 5:00, I want you to go into my YouTube channel, see who I publish with, then go into my email account, so you can find the email address that I use to message them. Send them a message saying this, this interview is up, and actually draft it

13:45under me so that I could hit send on it." I'm having it go into my email and if someone didn't respond to my message, I want to kick it back in with uh with the draft message written for me. That's one of the best benefits of having Zapier. Zapier's the best. So good. So good. Okay. All right. Here's the alternative to Slack. Let's first take a look at what Brian said about his problem with Slack in Slack at least. It's not really able

14:09to do threading or really multi-channel. You sort of can, but it just doesn't work reliably. So, I've actually land Did you actually find that problem before I show you why he moved on to something else? No. Can you repeat that piece? I'm like looking into this guy real quick. Brian Castle, he does a lot of videos on this and what one of the things that he discovered was that the the threading doesn't work well in Slack and he goes into it in his video. Do you

14:35find that too? I don't find it to be a major issue. And here's the thing. Let's say it is an issue. Let's let's entertain him for a second. Okay. Well, how am I supposed to convince my entire company to move over from Slack where we have a lot of our stuff built in already over to Discord, which I don't have a problem with, but also like as a someone with a gaming background, like Discord, it it's nice, but it's missing a lot of things. So, yeah, his solution is Discord. Here's

15:02the reason why. I really like Discord for a number of reasons. First of all, the formatting, the markdown support. Uh, it's really nice and readable. The other thing I like is that I can separate out and have multiple channels. So these are like sort of like areas of my business. So for example, I've got my main HQ. That's sort of like a general channel. I got tasks related to my YouTube channel

15:23happening in here. Content development. Kit is my email marketing. Uh my builder methods site. It runs some like SEO tasks. Okay. I'm thinking of switching over to Discord. I think what it is is if it's single player mode, Discord seems to make a lot of sense. If it's multiplayer mode, I think Slack is the way to go

15:40because that's where your team is. I actually asked my Hermes this question, I think a while back. I was like, "Hey, to to your point, I'm like, I would use Discord if I'm if I'm alone." I'm like, "So, I should be using Discord, right? Or should I use Slack or should I use Telegram? Like, what's better?" And then the other day I was like, "Hey, should I put it on iMessage?" And then it basically gives me I'm always asking every day, "What's

15:59the highest leverage thing I can do? What's the highest leverage thing I can do? Give me the leverage score one through 100 on this." And it was like Slack is like a like a nine out of 10 or 90 out of 100 for you because it's multiplayer because you can do X Y and Z and you can add all these connectors to it. Um Discord not so much. Telegram is good for for us to maybe communicate privately. iMessage is more just for convenience. Um but that that's kind of how I see it. So maybe you know um Slack is probably like if if you're running a

16:25business and you have uh multiple employees or if you have if you have a lot definitely you should be on Slack if you have a lot of employees. Um, but I think single player mode, yeah, I'd probably go with Discord. And you know what, and one of the things that you told me was it's it's sometimes hard to even get your team to get on Slack with an AI agent. They're not sure. Are you trying to replace me with the AI agent? How does it work? Am I going to look like a fool? Okay. So, if it's hard enough, let's not make it any harder by making them switch over to a

16:49different platform. Okay, great. Let's move on to the next point. Man, I really like Nate Herk's stuff. Let me show you the thing that I thought that was the coolest that he did. And you've been playing with video, so tell me what you think of this. have seen my videos on my channel about hyperframes with claude code basically to edit videos. I wanted to see if Hermes could do that. So I said hey can you make me a video using hyperframes about what Hermes agent is how you work how you remember things. It ran all of these different things. So it has a skill called creative. It had a

17:14skill called manm video. It was searching for hyper. It ran all these terminal commands and it also you can see here it's using vision to analyze the actual video to see how it turned out. Now its first pass wasn't great. It didn't even use hyperframes. I'm not exactly sure what this used, but as you

17:28can see, some of the spacing is off. It's not amazing, but you know, it's not terrible for the fact that I just said, "Hey, make me a video." So, basically, then I said, "Okay, what tool did you use? I wanted you to use hyperframes." So, it had to look into it. It did the research on its own. It asked me if it could install hyperframes. I said, "Yes, and then it comes back with a video that's actually much much better." So, I'm not going to play the whole thing, but here's the video that it actually came up with. It looks a lot better. The spacing is a lot better. It just has

17:51these diagrams that actually like don't overlap and they're not going out of bounds. So that looks good. What do you think? So it looks good, but let me tell you what, here's a lazier way to do this one. I don't want to put in the work right now. I don't think you want to put in the work right now to learn this. So in my opinion, it's going to get to the point where you don't need to think about all this initially because usually Nate is showing the latest stuff and he's figuring it out. My opinion, I was

18:14just talking to my CTO at lunch. I think Fable like a Fable 5ish model in the future is going to be so good where it's just going to do it for you, right? just like when when you're able to see someone made literally an Age of Empires game using Fable 5 versus Opus 48, it's just levels above, right? And so I think this is um I think every everybody's going to be editing this way. I also think here's the thing, even if you learn it right now, it's not quite there yet, right? I I've seen his videos where he has it. I'm like, it's kind of cool,

18:40but I still rather just go with my current editors right now and and pay the premium. Um, but I think once you have a Fable 5 that's really out there in the market, um, I think it's it's just going to be doing it for you and without that this much uh kind of upfront thinking. Wow, this is new because when I interviewed you last and you showed me your setup, your whole thing that stuck with me was you're even having it create videos for you. Okay, that's interesting to see. My other take on this is I hate watching all these videos on X which with nothing but text. Dude, just write

19:10the freaking thing. If you don't have anything interesting to show, just and all it is is text, just let me read it at my own pace. I'm bothered by that. I do think this is a cool demo. I like that you brought me back to reality. I think where this could be helpful is if maybe it's on a green screen and you have some text that you will show on your on your video while you're talking perhaps maybe as a replacement for slides. Okay, fair. I do like what you

19:33just did there. You took I mean to be fair though like we're still cranking out a lot of video with AI. like we we we definitely use Hermes, we definitely use uh overlap's been a really good one as well where it just finds the right moments for clipping and then those have been crushing on on X and then we have a nice caption based on like a X long form skill and so I think I think what he's showing again it's still relevant. I just think we're going to get the chance

19:55to be a lot lazier with this. You're saying overlap? What is overlap? Overlap it's a it's like a content clipping tool, right? And so there's a lot of these tools out there. Like sure, there's Opus as well, but um we found that overlap has been the best one in terms of finding these mid form clips that perform well on X um and on LinkedIn. These are like, you know, 2 minute like horizontal videos that that do well. So yeah. Yeah, you freaking get me. Before I go to bed, I will see some of your videos as I'm scrolling up. I

20:21go, does he have another channel here? How is he doing it? And I know you're a play. You're like, let me experiment. Let's just keep publishing and see what happens. You know what? I'll show one other thing just because so many people talk about this and I want to know from you as a as a business owner. Is this practical for you? But this is a demo

20:35that I see endlessly. Anyways, take a look at some of these crons that my Hermes is running. A daily AI news briefing which is posted inside of my school community YouTube comment monitoring. So, if you guys have noticed on my YouTube videos lately, I've had an AI agent that has access to the transcript and knowledge about me and has been responding to your guys' comments. And that is this Hermes agent school community engagement, morning business summaries, server checks, research reports, follow-up reminders, and that's just some of the crowns that

20:57I have this agent work. Okay. Actually, what I meant to show was just the daily news brief. I forgot that he's also doing YouTube comment responses. I wonder what he's using to connect to do that. But what do you think of daily briefing first of all? Yeah, so I I have a daily brief that I don't read at all. Um, so I will say the daily brief that's been helpful to me has been finding uh relevant news as it

21:20relates to AI business and marketing. And then there have usually every day there's a couple good headlines that apply to marketing school because we record that each week. That being said, um I don't use my open claw anymore. So the funny thing is on my telegram, my open claw has all these crons and all

21:34these mine too. Yeah. I don't read it anymore. It's just too much stuff. Yeah, mine too. I have this open claw that's sitting on the same computer as Hermes and all it's doing is all those crrons that I thought would be important. The one thing that I do think is is interesting is the way that he's having um his agent reply to comments. I don't want to do that, but I I do think it's interesting even if it could read them and analyze them and make sure that

21:57I see the ones that are most important. Okay, let's go on to the next uh the next person here. Well, Andrew, on that one real quick, I think what's helpful, I think in my opinion, like you see on Instagram all the time, everyone's like, "Comment for this resource. Comment for this." I'm like, how are they kicking out these resource these downloadable resources so quickly? And so in my mind, I'm like, it would be helpful to have an agent just focus on that cuz that drives your email list higher and and like that's just smart to me, right? And so many people are doing it. I'm just like, we haven't

22:22done it yet and maybe I'll just come steal yours after. But it's too easy. I'll tell you exactly what you do. You basically you um you tell it to go through the transcript of an interview and you create a PDF and then you have what you said earlier, a design.md file and so it creates that. The hard part is getting it into ManyHat, which is what we use to to distribute it on Instagram, but it

22:42works. So, do you just use like uh do you use like the codeex record and replay now just to make it a skill and it just repeats? No, I uh I've got a guy who's doing it. Um a guy named Krishna who's doing it. Okay. Still interesting uh interesting take. I like that. Let's go on to the next one. I like Charbell. He's really into Hermes agents. I do wish that he shared more of his screen and showed what he was doing. Um, let me let me show one one case where he did show a screen that I thought was really helpful. He said, "Listen, have have

23:10your Hermes agent interview you and then he showed the way that he has it interview him." And this is so that it understands you and knows how to work with you. Um, but listen, help me find homes to buy in France. Okay. So, the example he's using here is actually not the interview him example, but the how you can have Hermes ask you questions to make sure that it has enough context, but it's part of him

23:33saying have it ask you questions here. Use ask user question until you reach clarity. And once you submit that, you're going to see that since this is a desktop app and you're not operating on Telegram, it can do things like embed a questionnaire. There you go. Inside of Hermes agent, which is a pretty neat way to prompt your Hermes agent. So here, look at this. It's asking, "What's the real buying brief for France? Start with

24:03a constraint that changes everything. What is your allin budget, which is super important for a task like this?" Okay. I um I do like the bigger point, which is have Hermes interview so it knows you. And I know you probably do it better by giving it documents that you've already created. Um, and then also when it's asking to do work, ask it to pull information out of you and not just go off and do the task. That's the

24:29that's what I took away from that part. What do you think? Yeah. So, I used to use the ask user question uh or ask me clarifying questions as a prompt. I've been using the Matt Pocco grill me skill a lot more frequently and it does it does a pretty good job. So, the grill me skill like it'll just keep it it asks me very it feels like it's it's more um I feel like the questions are more complete and more thoughtful because it's like one question at a time, right? And not that this isn't one question at a time, but usually with ask user question, at least

24:57in Claude, it's it's going to ask you like a series of three to four questions and then it it I feel like it stops a little prematurely. So, Grill Me feels more complete to me. Um, and then there's also I also use uh there's different versions like Alex Liverman has a uh content machine interview thing that he uses and so I made a version of that. So when I was on my way to uh a father's day lunch, I was just sitting in a Whimo and I was like grill me use the content machine interview to grill me and it literally I it created like a

25:23like 15 minutes it was just grilling me like what's the most interesting thing that's happened to you recently right and so I think you can have ask user question uh type prompts for specific things that you're trying to do. Um because if you just yap to it for 15 20 minutes, usually you're going to get a pretty good outline for what you want to

25:38do, like a YouTube video. Well, you're saying you wanted to pull the the information out of you with questions. I like that a lot. Um you know what, since we're looking at the desktop, I've really been enjoying the desktop. I think once Hermes went desktop, it became an app like any other and we should feel more comfortable putting it on our main computer. Um and then we could decide, do we want to give it access to our computer and let it control it or do we want to have it be much much more minimal? Um, here's

26:02something that I'm not seeing enough of. And great thing about Hermes desktop is you literally have all of your skills listed right here. You can see them, you can turn them on, you can turn them off. I think this is such a helpful thing to easily see the skills that you have and you've built so that you can you can just understand what's operating it. Um, I like this. The other thing that I do though is in addition to the skills that are on the desktop, I have it go to my GitHub repo and get the skills that all the other AI uh services that I use will

26:37access and that I think is is even more helpful. I think this is good. So, it's funny because I I pulled up my uh my Hermes desktop and um I was like, "Hey, this is helpful, but can you show me the skills in chronological order or by use?" And so, hopefully they have those filters in the near future and I think they probably will. Um, but to your point, so one, this is great. Second thing I just want to reinforce the Hermes desktop app is important because when I was working inside of Slack, you start to get lost inside of all these threads because it's so fleeting. But the ability for you to

27:06pin different sessions and then uh categorize them as well is huge. So you don't get as lost. Yeah. Um, it's a it's a great thing. But now what you're going to have is you're going to have Hermes on your What was that device that you just showed me a moment ago? This is a DGX Spark that I can't believe

27:22broke. It's $5,000 for one of these. Yeah. Um, so you put it on maybe not that device, but another device and another, and now it's becoming an app, like I said, like any other. You just put it on your computers. How do you control them all? I didn't know this feature was there until I saw what Charbell said. Click on this setting icon and go to uh gateway. And this is where you can choose what uh gateway you want, whether it's local, so one that's running on your current machine, the one that you're operating to have one Hermes agent control another uh Hermes software on another computer

27:57here right now, or another uh gateway, which is what I have picked. You input the gateways URL. You can ask Hermes itself to help you set it up. You don't have to worry about all these technicalities. You can test remote. Once it's tested and connected and it works, save and reconnect. And that's literally it. You can access the logs here in case there's any errors. You can troubleshoot with that. The great thing as well, and

28:25that's maybe an advanced hack. Inside this hack is you can connect different agents to different gateway instances. This is pretty cool. I haven't used it. I didn't even know it was there until until I did this research. Yeah. So, this is the way he explained it. Um, I've been So, I have my two DJX Sparks and then I have a Mac Studio here and then I have a Mac Mini just for my home setup. They're all on one tail scale network and so they all kind of see each other and so it's easy for me to go to my my Hermes and be like, "Hey, control

28:56the Mac Mini here or like here control control the open call over here." So, they all kind of talk to each other. Um, and so I do have my Hermes setup is is using that remote gateway. Um, and that also gives me an ability for whatever. If I log in from a laptop, for example, I'm still on tail scale. I can remote into this computer if I want. So, um, yeah, I think it just depends on how many devices you want to have on your tail scale network, but it feels safe to

29:18me, so it's good. What's the advantage of using tail scale versus what am I using? I'm using jump disk, which is basically a remote screen share. Yeah, I don't. So screen sharing is one thing but when you have tail scale it's almost like a VPN for like a private network and then all these computers can talk to each other on a private network and you have to if you want someone you want you can give someone else access but it's it's not easy for them to just get in anytime you want like it's it's hard to provision it's it's it's pretty secure and if you want to SSH into any

29:46device like you can do that right so if I'm traveling to France for example and I want to SSH and control one of my devices for example I remember in February I was at um I was doing one of these founders retreats and um my open call went down. I was like, "Oh no, I can't have that happen, right?" I was like, "Damn it, what do I do?" And so I logged into uh Termius, which is like the the little app that you have on uh iOS and then by using that and plus tail scale, I was able to control my home device to reset my OpenClaw and and

30:15basically you can run it from anywhere in the world, right? So it's it's important for you to have some type of network that all your devices can talk to each other anytime. I could be wrong but I think I could do that with remote screen sharing apps like jump having I called it jump disk but I think it's just jump. Having said that I can control them they can't control each other that way. Um okay so I I see the advantage. Let's look at one last video here with use cases for Hermes. And by the way everyone I'm trying to figure out how to do this. I want to learn

30:41about all these things and I want to figure out how I can like learn from both watching videos but also from people like Eric. I would like to learn from you. Is this helpful for you to see these videos? Um, actually, you know what, Eric? Is are these videos helpful for you? Is this a good session? The way

30:55that I'm doing it, it's an experiment. This is good. I mean, this this is phenomenal. I'm like, first of all, I haven't seen a couple of these and I like this session of reacting. Like, I even want to kind of make this for myself reactions because I hate doing reaction videos. So, this is phenomenal.

31:07I like it. All right. Um, last set of examples. I typed find the top five YouTube videos ranking right now for email marketing tutorial for beginners. For each one, save the title, channel, and what it covers to a file. Then tell me which gaps you noticed. We'll go ahead and hit send. And it decides to use the skill YouTube content. It notices that it doesn't have Chrome installed yet. So, it's going to set it up for itself. And you'll see it's thinking output as it's working. The agent will spend a minute or two doing the research. Just let it work. And when it's done, it'll reply

31:44with a summary in the chat and confirm where the file is saved. Now, if for some reason your agent doesn't have access to the tools it needs to run the task you've asked of it, it'll tell you and present you with options for what you can do together to make it so that it actually can do the job you've asked. For me, after a few minutes, it comes back and says where it saved the file here. Opt/ data/-marketing-top

32:105-YT. Okay, he's he's got this report here. I have a few problems with this. Number one, I still cannot stand when people just put the files on their computers. Now, how are you going to get it? Why not put it on if it's notion, put it somewhere where it's accessible. Number one. Number two, as he goes on, you can

32:27see that it has found one of his videos. Like number three in that list, it's his video, which means that he didn't tell his Army's agent who he was and give it enough background. And number three, I like that he showed how it used the Chrome browser and even asked for it. I thought that was a very helpful demo to see that it's asking for this tool and it's using it. I think often we think of browsers when we should be thinking of what tool can we give it direct access to. So for something like this I would just give it Vid IQ and with Vid IQ you

32:55can get this data faster and more detailed and that's my feedback on this. What do you think? Yeah. So I think this is what one of those other AI theater pieces where it's when you start using this initially it's like oh cool you can make all these reports but when I tell my team guys like we don't need more dashboards and we don't need more reports like we need like what is the next step afterwards like we need to build these workflows where it gets to at least drafting something and so an example of this would be um Alexi has a more mosy channel for example where he's he's

33:24pumping out like 15 20 videos a day I was like how is he doing that I was like okay Hermes use the YouTube API use u And that you use YouTube API has fine, right? Take a look at his channel. What is he doing exactly? Okay, take a look at the leveling up channel. Okay, what do we need to do exactly to do this? And it actually was cranking out videos in that type of format where he has like these 5 to 10 minute midform videos and where he has like very direct and specific uh titles, right? And some take off, some don't. And literally, it's

33:50working for me. Where I went wrong with that, by the way, is if you're going to make this stuff, you need to figure out who you can hand it off to because you as one person, you can only do so much, right? what's been working for me. I was again talking to my CTO about this. I was like, dude, like I spent all this time I spent all this time building these things and like the the skills dojo that I have where it has like a list of our skills. Um I maybe get things to maybe 70 to 80% there and I tinker as as a

34:13founder. And he's like, "Dude, just keep doing that because we'll take the things that are actually good and then we'll we'll build it out more and we'll hand it off to other people." And so I think the problem is um like you Andrew or me like we're we're probably overbuilding right now but we're not figuring out like hey who can we actually hand it off to and what ends up happening is we end up having these like dead open claws

34:31with a bunch of crown jobs. I'm the opposite of you. I'm very much a one thing until it's done and then sometimes I go too far and keep iterating on it. Like you might see me with this in 60 years. Andrew what are you doing? We got to move on. So that's that's a problem for me. Having said that, the one advantage is I try to keep VS Code, which is what I built this tool that you're looking at here that lets me uh show all these videos. I try to keep it on my my screen so that I don't look away. Even if it's like on one of my

34:59monitors and on the other monitor I'm doing something else while I'm waiting for it to be done. And then I am very much an iterative person. It has to just get done or else I feel like something is wrong with me. Something's wrong with my life and I get very irritable. You know, all these open tasks really bother me. Um, but having said that, I do not want it to keep me from playing. You know that if I have to complete it, if it has to have a real business purpose or else I don't touch it, it's a mistake. I have to play because through play, good things come out. Um, let's

35:30take a look at one last thing. Actually, um, I'll have all these videos. I have so many extra links that I wanted to share, but I don't want to I don't want to take forever with it. This last one, I think, is interesting to talk about because it's it's the last thing that I usually do. save that whole workflow as a skill so the agent can run the same research on any topic without you having to type the long prompt again. So now we'll say save that workflow as a skill

35:52called competitor-watch. From now on when I give you a search term, find the top five YouTube videos, save the same info to the file and call out the gaps. We'll go ahead and submit that. All right, the agent confirms it, saved the skill, and tells us what the skill does. Let me ask you this with it. I definitely will update my skills after I do a big project. Like, you and I are going to be done recording. I will update my skill. Actually, it's late, so maybe I'll do it tomorrow. With everything that I learn, I don't do that with Hermes. I kind of count on Hermes

36:27to do it itself. And what I might do is if something's critical, I might say, "This is going to be important. I want you to make a skill." But I don't get so prescriptive as he is. What do you think? Yeah. So, I think I think trying to be prescriptive to to use your word and saying, "Hey, like doing it manually, that's where I've kind of struggled a little like

36:46occasionally like where it makes sense. Hey, should we skillify this?" Right? But I think um having to think like this would probably give me a little too much anxiety because I'm not a detail- oriented person. What I will say is that thing that I mentioned earlier where it's watching my screen the whole time, right? It's a screen monitor for myself and it's figuring out what the skillify at the end of the day and it's rating the leverage score or you can set it for a weekly thing. That's probably more helpful to me because it's see if it sees me working the whole time. Yeah, chances are Andrew like you might think

37:14of some things that you should skillify but like there's a conversation today I had with my my head of talent and from that one conversation I was just curious. I'm like was it one or two things? And then and then I I just dropped it into my Hermes, right? I was like hey how many things here should actually be skilified that are actually genuinely differentiated? It's like three things here, right? So my point of saying that, sharing that example is like we just don't know how much gold we

37:36have coming from these conversations. And often times it's like one-on-one conversations like this or internal conversations. So okay, now that this interview is done, I have Eric showing specifically how he works with his open claw with his team and everything that applies there in that deep dive into Eric's system will apply to Hermes. I want you to go watch that