# Brycent Reveals How He Made $200K on Pump.fun

Channel: Milk Road Degen
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[0:00] you will never see me launch a streaming coin on Pum Fun because like there is enough people just randomly extracting things and I also think that from the perspective of seeing gaming streamers who often times and maybe it wasn't the smaller guys but gaming streamers oftent times don't make that much money. It's dope to see that they they were able to get back on the system

[0:18] a little bit. I'm not going to lie. What's up everybody? It's LG Det here and welcome to the Milkro DJ podcast. the podcast that offers financial entertainment. Not financial advice, but like really entertaining advice. I wait, what? Why just combine both of those? Entertaining advice. That's actually a good way to put the podcast. Uh today's guest is Bryson, somebody uh that I followed for many years in crypto. He used to be one of the biggest web 3 gaming bulls, but he is no longer a web 3 gaming bulls. He's now what he refers to as a creator VC. He makes content about creators and venture funds and he

[0:55] claims that his bio has changed one too many times. But this guy works on tons of stuff. He's bullish long on Bitcoin. He's a big fan of things like football. Fun and he's going to tell us what other companies he has been investing in in the space since moving away from gaming. And I'm also going to tell him catch him up a little bit on some of the trench

[1:15] stuff that's been happening here. because as a former gaming streamer, we've had a lot of gaming streamers come into the trenches and exit recently. And I want to I want to give him a little taste of what's going on. So stay tuned for that. Before we get started, to our YouTube listeners, to our podcast subscribers, hit us with that rating, hit us with that like button, a comment, anything. We're trying to get this thing off the ground, so I need your help more than ever to get this thing moving. So please subscribe, like, comment, whatever you can. And today's episode is brought to you by Earn Park. Select

[1:42] riskadjusted strategies. The platform automates execution and offers daily or monthly payouts. God, enough of me. Bryson, what's up, dude? What's up, LG? How are you? Uh, I'm good, man. I'm good. I'm glad to finally be chatting. I, you know, we we I we wanted to chat years ago when we were doing completely different things, but now we're circling back near peak of this current bull market. And uh, and

[2:04] dude, I'm so stoked to chat with you. I'm so stoked to tell you about the weird [ __ ] that's been going on. Uh, and also hear about what you've been doing, man. So, um, let me let me just I just, you know, let's start it with trench stuff because I do want to talk about the stuff you've been investing in, but let tell me right now. How much do you

[2:20] know about Pumpfun? I would say like at a high level, I'm pretty familiar with Pump Fund, but I haven't trenched or traded on the platform in probably like six to seven months. Oh, you used to you used to? Yeah, I I used to actively DGEN in like Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like I' I've probably I'm nowhere like I've never made a ridiculous sum, but I I think that like I'm probably one of the I'm at least I'm a positive trader on the platform. I think I've made like close to 150k to 200k somewhere in that range just trenching probably in the last like 12

[2:50] months and then I stop. What the hell? Oh my god. I You're you're a unique guest. I don't think we've had anybody who's openly admitted to being a super trencher on Pump Fund or like made money. Dude, I wouldn't call myself a super trencher because like I you made you made money. You're in the positive. That's very rare for fun. Most of the traders there lose money. What did you make money on? What did you

[3:09] make? I I refuse to disclose the coins. I think I I I think the best way to go about trenching is by doing that because as soon as you're like, "Oh, I made money on this." You open up a whole can of worms. I will not disclose the coins. But it was very much in the AI meta. Okay. AI meta. So, no no Titcoin or

[3:27] anything like that. No. That you'll admit to? You'll admit to? Yeah. Nothing like that. Yeah. There were good AI tokens, too. There were a good set like at the start of the year, end of last year, the AI had like a really nice run uh on pump and on base as well on on Salana and bass. So, yeah. And after I got that hurrah, I was pretty much like, "All right, I'm want to go make or try my best to make real money because I think that like everyone in crypto is kind of either leaning in the space of you've made an insane amount of money or you're like trying to

[3:55] figure out how to make an insane amount of money and that doesn't bode well when you're trying to start a family one day." Wow. Wow. Okay. That's that's that's actually really good advice. Um I love that. That's a perfect line. So tell me more about So why did you why did you stop playing on pumpf fun? Well, for me it's like I'm not a I'm not a trader by nature, right? Like and for me the idea of sitting at a screen and trading and then and like hoping to hit the lottery for gold rush millions. I've seen people do it like people like good friends with him. I know he's up

[4:25] ridiculous in the last like year to two years just off of it. But at the core of who I've been, I've always been someone who's either wanted to build companies or wanted to create things that are like more value additive. I see Pump Fun as like the glorified casino. So for me, it wasn't something where I was like, "Oh man, I could just see myself sitting at the screen making my winnings and then flexing my winnings online and thinking that I've done something important, right?" So that it was just like, "Okay,

[4:51] it was fun. There was something here. Maybe if I put all dedicated all my time to trenching, I probably could be up way more, but for me, it's just not where I want to go like career-wise. So, it ended up leading to me kind of stepping back and wanting to go in a different

[5:04] direction. Did you get torched on anything? Is there is there any tokens that you just like got absolutely crushed on? I wouldn't say crushed just because like I would always even when I made a little bit of money, I'd play with small size. So, like I'd never go in more than like two or three soul per token. Um, and I I mean I was trenching like very early like stuff that was like below 20k market cap. Um, and I've caught I caught man I caught I mean I left gains on the table. Like don't get me wrong. Had I not left some gains on the table I

[5:31] probably could be up half a mill or more from just trenching. But I mean I was catching stuff at like 20 25k market cap and then wa watching it run like 5 10 15 mil. I never caught one that early that went to like hundreds of millions of dollars. But I mean I was I I had seen

[5:47] some I've left some gains on the table. Like I mean chill guy I saw I was in chill guy super early left some gains on the table. The quant kid there was like the quant kid thing from last year. Quant dev. Oh dude I was um I was in his token at 100k market cap and watched the entire thing like up go up and down. And then from there I sold went to sleep woke up four or five hours later because I was in Europe and it was at 70 mil market cap. I think I would have been up like probably probably probably close to 100K in like

[6:17] six hours on that. So like I've seen some crazy things happen, but I'm not I'm not pretty tapped into like the more recent happenings of of Pump around streaming and all the other stuff. So you'll have to enlighten me on that, dude. Well, we'll chat about that in a second. What I want to say about Pump, though, is even hearing you talk about it, there are so many like cultural watermarks of crypto. I think from Pump, it's created these like hilarious moments. Like the quant kid is an amazing thing. For anybody watching or listening that doesn't know what it was, it was this How old is this kid? Like

[6:44] 13, 14. Yeah. Yeah. He was using Pump. He had create he'd been creating tokens for weeks trying to get them to run and he finally had one go to like 300K and he was streaming. This what Pump did their first iteration of streaming. And right like and then he rugged the token and made like 30k himself and gave like the double middle finger to the camera and then ended the stream. And then I think what happened then like he so he sold

[7:08] this entire position. He sold his position. The token capitulated for maybe five minutes and then it just started a a quick trend upward and it ran all the way to 70 million and like it ran I woke up and it was at 70 million. Like I was in Switzerland, went to bed, got up and it was at 70 mil and like I was stunned because I just came off the backs of like we were getting on the plane to go

[7:29] to Switzerland for my fiance's birthday. Like I had put maybe three three like 350 bucks into a coin called Bitcat. Dude, the coin it ran up so much I was up seven grand by the time the flight landed. So like basically paid for like most of the trip to Switzerland. And I'm like man this is this is like great. And at this time I'm like man I could do this like pump trading thing full like as a side thing that no one knows that I'm doing but I'm like actually making money. There was a point where I even like created my own like alt account where I would just like post about like

[8:00] my trades almost like a trading journal for myself. It was it was it was a very hysterical time. Anyways, well thanks for sharing that that the the quad kid it ran to 70 mil. People wanted to make him pay. It was the end of that story. Yeah. So so people were were mad at him. But I don't even know what big cat is. There's so many trench tokens that we'll never hear about again but people had decent gains on. I'll tell you a little bit about what's going on lately. And I'm surprised I I thought maybe you'd be more interested because a lot of gaming streamers came over to Pump a few

[8:27] weekends ago. It had a massive weekend as the Pump token hit like $9 billion. Um and it was all started and it's funny you're talking about like uh it being uh so useless in a sense. Um a lot of that big weekend was started by a token called Streamercoin uh which was taking its profits because what happened on Pump is they changed their fee structure where a lot of the fees would go back to the creator. So it became super profitable to be streaming and to have a token with a low market cap because you making insane fees um something like you know 100k in a couple days if you if you

[8:58] had a lot of volume. So a token called streamercoin basically took their profits and they were finding small streamers that had like two viewers and gifting them like a hundred subs and the people would and they record it. People would cry on stream. So this kind of good deeds kind of idea and then kindnesscoin came along and did it which was run by a Tik Tok account that has like 2 million followers. So they kind of copied the idea and and did that as well. But Streamercoin find found Kai Sonat and gave him like 25 grand on stream. So then he went berserk for two days

[9:29] screaming streamercoin and then that got everyone's attention. And then those bag work guys came in and they did their whole weekend thing. Um but then you had Yeah, they were for the bag. But then you had like Bunny Fufu and a bunch of other gaming streamers that I never heard of, but I'm sure you know them. They came over, had their like

[9:47] three-hour stream. Yeah. With the chat hating them because it's all these trench freaks being like, "Why aren't you pumping the token?" Um, and then that's done now. I think most of those tokens are done. But those guys came over and made like, you know, a nice five, six figure payout for a couple days.

[10:03] Let's go. Yeah. And then now they're gone back to YouTube and that's it. And I think I think the pump team was hoping I think pump team was hoping for a little bit more traction, but uh probably looking to rejig their game plan. I'm surprised. I'm surprised they haven't approached you. I mean, I feel like you'd be the perfect target for Pump uh to be on

[10:18] there. Transparently, someone from their team did. Um I don't know who it was, but some guy was trying to like introduce me to the founders so they could like kind of share more of what they had planned. This was maybe like a month ago. Um and I actually told him, I was like, "Look, I don't plan on streaming on Pump Fun, but if you want me to I'll take the chat just to like learn more." And we didn't end up booking it. I I think I like I dropped the ball. I suck with scheduling. And then like they p pinged me one last time was like, "Yo, do you

[10:43] want to get And I was like, I'm not streaming there, so there's no point in us doing the meeting at that point. Um, and then I also had a couple people that would DM me and be like, yo, are you launching are are you planning on launching like a streamer coin? I was like, you will never see me launch a streaming coin on Pump Fun because like there is enough people just randomly extracting things. And I also think that from the perspective of seeing gaming streamers who oftent times, and maybe it wasn't the smaller guys, but gaming streamers oftentimes don't make that much money. It's dope to see that they

[11:10] they were able to get back on the system a little bit. I'm not going to lie. Mhm. Mhm. And it's all it's all token fees, too, right? It's not like they're not they weren't taking money from anybody else, right? It's not like a token going down and they collect all the money. It's like that's just fees. It's that's the trench market deciding to trade it. They didn't have to. So, it's, you know, it's good for them. What would it take for you to do a coin? Not on Pump, but just on any platform. like what would it take for anybody to approach you or for there to be a

[11:35] platform juicy enough that you'd be like, you know what, I do want I don't I don't think there is I don't think there's a like an a set parameter that could make me do a coin. I think that like if if someone reached out to me and was like, "Hey, we want to do a creator coin with you and and we'll pay you like $5 million upfront or like something that's so ridiculous where I'm like, "All right, like sure, if this goes south, I will like cry with my $5 million, buy a new M2, and like be okay because like I'm paying for my

[12:04] wedding and I'll have money left over." But like I just don't see like and I tried to tell people this like a while ago when we were so when I was running Loot Squad, which was my venture funded crypto company. Um, we were building a crypto gaming guild in 2021 when people thought that, you know, play to earn

[12:18] gaming was the future. Me included. Dumbass of the year award. Perfect transition. You're so good at transitions. This is I love talking to other streamers. You're so good at being like, let's segue. I really want No, I want to talk about this. This is what funny because like during that time period like we had saw so many coins go crazy in the crypto gaming space. every company, every game, every guild was launching a token and you know in being invested in by crypto VCs. They wanted us to launch a coin. I told them before I was like, "Yo, I'm not launching a coin unless we're at a spot where it

[12:49] makes sense." Because at the end of the day, VCs don't have to deal with any of the backlash of like you launched a coin, it failed, blah blah blah. But like when you're a founder, like regardless of if you move on to something else or not, like people still like associate you with that thing. So, I was like, "Yeah, I'm not launching

[13:04] like a coin, per se, but we'll see." Like, if we make this a an insanely profitable business, then so be it. But it's funny how we kind of have gone four or five years and these platforms are still so ass backwards in terms of originality that they think having people launch coins is like a net positive idea when like traditional streamers are trying to figure out how to make consistent revenue. So, let alone you add a coin and you think that's going to be better. I mean, maybe for a couple of people, like you said, if the trading volume is there, but the biggest problem is you're always on the

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[14:32] these streamers coming in? Who are these gaming streamers?" And I watched their streams and traded some of their tokens. And man, it was painful. And I don't know if it's because I don't watch a lot of streamers, you know, lifestyle streamers would just talk for hours, but these guys would come on and they'd be like, "Okay, the chat wants me to lock tokens. How do I do that?" And they each of them would eventually pull up their phone and call their crypto guy and be like, "Hey man, I'm just streaming on pump. Uh the chat wants me to to pay deck screener, you know, like they'd

[14:57] just go through all these basic things and then after a while they'd be like, "Okay, it's done. Like I'm just gonna I'm just going to play my games now." And they'd just start playing games. and the chat would be like, "Please start pumping the token. Please start posting on YouTube." Like, they would just go snap and attack them, right? And I just thought I was that was such a waste of weekend for me. Um, and but it was it was worth it for the experience to be like, well, you know, it's it's it's clearly not going to work in the current format for these guys, and they don't want they don't want to

[15:27] come here away from their current community and get harassed, even if the payday is pretty decent. They're going to stick to what they know and the channels that they've spent years building. like they're just not they're just not going to move over that easily. Um so yeah, I mean I think I think Pump Fund they have so much money that they're like, "Hey, like we need to spend this and do things." I if I was Pump Fun, I would potentially personally I'd start a VC fund and like I would put I would allocate about $50 million to investing in the most interesting things that are in AI and at

[15:56] the bridge of intersection of like web two and web three. It doesn't have to just be companies that are born and bred out of crypto. Um, some of them are actually coming out of like major institutions like Y Combinator. Like there's a company called Shore. They do like stable coin employment payments and they're like one of the fastest growing like Y Combinator companies from the current batch. And like you'd never know it because like everyone's thinking about like okay what does the fast gains look like? But if you go off of the analogy of like over time some of the best gains happen over time. Look at

[16:27] Sam. Look at Sam Bankman Freed and his enthropic investment. Bigger than anything FTX ever did. His early angel investment in anthropic had he not gone to jail would have been worth multiple potentially multiple billions of dollars. And I think some of it was actually used to pay back the people who were in debt. So, it's crazy how there's other markets that crypto can positively affect with like the absurd lump sums of money that currently exist, but like no one's really doing the hey, how do we take the gains that exist in crypto as a company and turn them into not only net positive machines, but like it's very

[17:01] difficult to turn like, you know, $50 million into I would say like five billion unless you just incred unless you're just incredibly like meticulous around like your like I would say your risk tolerance, right? Like if you're not going to take your 50 million and go throw it in some meme coins and hope that it turns into five billion, but if you spread that across X amount, maybe some people will, but like I think that there is a world where there's a more traditional intersection somewhere with all these companies that are up ridiculous amounts and they're like, let's throw money at streaming, let's throw money at, I don't know, game

[17:32] nights. It's like none of that [ __ ] is going to work long term, but there are other things that Pump could potentially do. Um, I just think they have they're not that creative. ah they really wanted to you know there that's where I was skeptical of their whole master plan and we had this whole debate on Milk Road when their token had come out and they were bottom that they haven't said anything for two weeks and it was me against the two kind of pro guys and they're like listening this thing's going to go up they have a bunch of money they're going to do buybacks and I was like yes but

[17:58] what's the long-term plan saying you're going to take on Facebook doesn't mean [ __ ] Facebook's been around for 20 years they've pivoted a million different things they they spend millions of dollars hiring the top talent to build out their AI and then their [ __ ] glasses don't even work. It's just like, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, how what do you mean you're going to compete with Facebook? Like, what does that even mean? That's that's a huge dream that maybe, but you've built you've built a casino. How are you going to build a social network? Right? It's just like it just doesn't line up. So,

[18:23] yeah. Um, actually, I want to ask you, Bryce, I want to move on from this. How do you balance occasionally trenching, and if you don't anymore, that's okay. It doesn't have to be Salana tokens, but like even just looking at like what's hot in the meta of crypto, right? And we talked about football funds. We'll talk about that more in a minute. How do you balance that with being a VC? Cuz those to me are very like those are very like fast and slow kind of ways of thinking about the space. Um so I want to hear from you like how you kind of balance that out,

[18:51] right? Like how do you have your fund that's like okay I got to go invest in this thing that's just going to pop for a couple weeks uh buy this or whatever and then how do you actually zoom out and be like I want to be in this for years. Yeah. So I mean from my perspective like I have not been balancing both sides of it. I probably have not looked at a chart consistently and outside of may like maybe Bitcoin or like scrolling coin gecko. I'm not caught up on the meta like some of the stuff you were telling me about Pump Fund. Um outside

[19:17] of just the overall streaming I didn't even know that all these streamers had come over or the Kaisen thing. So I'm a little bit more out of the meta. Um and what I realized is like it's very hard if you're building something compelling and interesting unless you have somebody that's feeding you information on a regular basis to be super tapped in on

[19:33] that compelling and interesting thing. if it's outside of crypto and still be caught up in everything that's happening in crypto. So, I've kind of just come to the conclusion that like I will miss some things that might go crazy, but like if I'm like jumping in every now and then, maybe I'll catch something. But, I'm like at the point of like, all right, well, if I miss something, so be it. I'll just like throw money into Bitcoin and like if I come across any cool swing trades like I like red days in the market um where I can find like a decent swing trade, throw five or 10K at

[20:00] something and like get a quick 2x or you know like get a 50% gain just because to me it's like more obvious to be like oh man like this this coin that has narrative is down 50% because Bitcoin is down 6%. Right? Like to me that's like okay well it's probably goes back up at some point right and and that's that's the stuff I like jumping in um and then kind of like jumping in with like leverage on something like that versus like hey let me just kind of sit around and like hope I can be the first to initiate because like if you're really building something like I spend most of

[20:33] my day making content I already know like I'm not catching everything so I've kind of just come to that conclusion. What is your content routine as one creator to another? Like how do you how do you do that? How do you spend like I've I'm gassed even after doing like a 45minute podcast. I need like I need like to lay on my couch for a while and just like breathe. How do you how do you've been doing this for so many years, man. How does that look like for you on a daily basis to be committed to

[20:55] that? I have a lot of respect for that. Yeah. So, like I mean I'll kind of break it down. What I realized about like gaming over these last couple years and I mean probably last year I had one of the most viral gaming clips on TikTok. It was a horror game clip um where I was like basically playing a game called Chucky. did 50 million almost 50 million views. If you search Bryson Chuxy, it'll pop right up. It was one of the most viral gaming clips ever on the platform last year. What I realized very quickly after that moment in like that whole year, like the rest of the year, was

[21:24] that all views aren't the same. And then also the quality of views that you get in gaming are much more are much lower quality because like gamers don't have purchasing power versus um people that are in other niches. So for me, when I switched niches, it actually got easier. I'm doing more content now, but it got easier to make banger content that's actually relevant because I'm not trying to entertain people. I'm just taking the same personality that I've always had and putting it in an industry where there is more money to be spent, people are building things, there's more energy, and that's like the venture startup content, AI content in that

[21:59] intersection. So now, like I might I might make three um Instagram videos a day, but like I'm a lot more like my short form content is a lot more calculated. So, instead of me having a video where I'm recording and getting a clip from my stream and then I'm sending it to an editor with context, the editor edits it and then I post it the next day, right? A video that takes a long time from start to ship process and then if that video doesn't do well, you kind of have the the downside of like, oh man, this video didn't do great and you feel a certain type of way. That's like

[22:27] a 24-hour process to get a video. Now, I can make a video and I can record a video in 10 minutes, edit it in 20 minutes, and it's out in 30 minutes. So, for me, it's like if I do that three times a day, I'm at an hour and a half of content and I have three banger videos that like at minimum are going to get me some sort of consistent views every single day because I've kind of built up the niche um and in the VC and startup space. So, even though I'm making more content now, it's a lot easier for me to make because I just go

[22:55] on Twitter, I find something that that I think is interesting in the space, I make a video on it, and I post and I repeat, and I repeat, and I repeat, and it's led to like some really cool opportunities. I was out at Y Combinator demo day um going back out to SF probably in a couple weeks for another event. So, it's created a new world and I didn't think it was going to take off this quickly. But the thing I've learned the most is it is much better to have a video do like 5 10 15k views but it be from an audience where people can spend

[23:22] money and like an audience that doesn't think that you're trying to grip them just because like you're making content. Whereas in like crypto gaming every post, oh my god, is it sponsored? I'm like, bro, I did most of the work. Most of the work I did in crypto gaming was not sponsored. If I took every deal that existed, I would not have needed to do crypto gaming beyond year one. So when people had different dichotoies of like what your content is because like their whole incentivization is like are you shilling me a coin that's going to make me money or like is this project going to scam me

[23:53] versus like there being a bit more of a reputable force around the venture content actual startups that have created projects. It's like night and day difference. Like I wake up super excited to make content now. And I know that was a spiel, but like it's all of that to say my my content flow is like pretty it's pretty dialed in. Like I'll get off this call. I'm gonna go get a haircut. I'll come back. I'll make three pieces of content. I'll have all of those scheduled to post by 3 p.m. And

[24:18] then I'll stream around 5 or 6. And then and then what what does what does Bryson do once he's done? When once he's off camera, he how does he how does he relax? How does he replenish the energy? To be honest, because I'm I feel like I'm in this like hyperrowth mode. So like my Instagram has gone crazy the last couple of months. It it's like 30k new followers in like the past like 3

[24:38] months. Um all in this type of niche. So like I'm doing that. I'm like I'm coding my own software. I'm launching I'm launching my own software later today. So I've been coding software. Like I've I am like always I would say on the hamster wheel right now just because of the moment that I'm in. But I do plan on like I do take time to take rest. Like uh me and my fiance, we love just like sitting back and like watching cool shows on television, eating good food, going to restaurants. But yeah, so like to give you like a quick thought of the

[25:07] strategy behind the content on IG. If you hover over any video, I don't know if it'll show you the view count of that video. It will. So like it might not show the view count, but it'll show the likes. So most of my videos on IG do like a minimum of like 8 to 8 to 10k views minimum. Um, I'll have some that do less, but most of them do a minimum of like 10K. So, what that results in, what I realized is like instead of trying to go viral and have like the most the biggest video ever, if you're like super niched in to a certain

[25:36] audience and you're just adding consistent value and you're hitting like singles, which is like you post a video that just does well every single day, but instead of doing that once, I'm doing that three times. At the bare minimum, I'm getting 30 to 40k views every single day. There's no way you don't grow. And it there's no way it doesn't lead to more opportunities because of that. So, I haven't had as much time to sit and just kind of be like, "Oh, what is the next coin meta going to be?" Because I've just been so

[26:02] focused in on making content. Stop making fun of me, man. Stop making You're just directly making fun of me with that statement. What do you mean? You're still making content. Stop it. No, this I feel like I just got like a free like advice call. Like I feel like I I feel like I should pay you for that. There's like a uh some kind I don't know. I'm sure there's VC platforms for that that where you like pay somebody for five minutes of their time. I feel like that's what I just got. Like we just took a side step out of the podcast. You just like told us Milk Road

[26:26] like how to make how to make some short form content regularly. People still won't use it. Like I I post about stuff like this all the time, but like people see, oh my god, like Roy Lee or someone posted a viral launch video and they like do back flips. And I'm like you got to realize that like the value you get from one viral video is normally net negative versus like if you

[26:46] just really dialed in on an audience. and with the and went viral as a byproduct of like something actually being within in niche because like yeah, it's the same thing with gaming. If I go viral and I get all these new followers that aren't like associated with what I'm looking to build or how I'm looking to build, it doesn't do anything. And this is where crypto gaming actually

[27:04] [ __ ] up. Crypto gaming initially fell in love with the idea of going viral. Me too. fell fell in love with the idea of going viral to audiences in developing nations because it was perceived as users, especially in the early days of the Rona network. And nothing wrong with like people in other countries playing these games. But per capita, if you look at the overall quality of user in terms of like how much money are they spending on the game, they're not spending that much money. Which is why you saw every crypto gaming token get plummeted to the floor because you're spending millions of dollars to market and build these

[27:42] scholar farms in developing nations and they're taking the money out and paying their bills and no consumer dollars are going back into the game. Yeah, you're going to hyperinflate straight to zero or as low as possible. And then it's a game of who has the most VC funds to like keep up the Ponzi charade. And if you don't have more than the next guy, then you'll see like some of the companies that have actually gone out of business, they're like, "Oh, well, we can't stay around." It's like, "Yeah, because you had airdrop campaigns for people in South America that weren't going to use any of the money to spend

[28:12] on your game." So, it's like when I see people building companies, and this is something that even though a lot of people dislike Silicon Valley, they've gotten it right over the years. Normally, they only invest in companies that are looking to like revolutionize like markets that have consumer dollars to spend. It does you no good to try to build a company when like your target user isn't going to spend money on the thing. He's just going to take money out of it. And crypto still has not figured that out in large part. Um, and that's why we've seen so much capitulation just in the crypto gaming space. Like none of

[28:43] these crypto games are doing good. I don't even think Off the Grid is doing that great in terms of like dollars spent per like user that's coming back to the game. But the charade is things like, hey, we're offering buybacks or we have a new launch, we have this, we have that. It's like, okay, like what is what is the net dollar spent that you have consistently coming in that's going to price something up? It's the same reason why you'll see random L2s that can't build competitive companies to like the Salas or the base chains. Why? Because they're targeting different markets and then you're hoping when you launch this

[29:18] new thing that the developing nation markets are going to pay for the new thing and it always it always flops because there just no money to be spent. Yeah, you need you need spenders. Yeah, dude. Shout out shout out Axi Infinity for for pioneering the scholar the scholar system years and years ago. That's an old I actually don't think I would have been this successful if it wasn't for Axi in terms of like oh yeah my start in my like I was an engineer beforehand but my start on the internet happened as a byproduct of like the Axi Infinity era right that was like oh like I had tried content before but

[29:51] like nothing took off like crazy. Um, but I really learned how to make content during that wave, even though like I caught it at the right time. And then even after I pivoted outside of it, I was like, I already have like kind of the content muscle so strong now that like if I needed to go if I needed to go into the niche of rainforest insects tomorrow, I would I would scale up an account and I would like know how to create a following around rainforest insects. And I think that only happens if you've tried content and you failed enough to actually like figure out like

[30:21] okay like how do you build successfully in in given niches. So shout out to Axi. Why did you say rainforest insects because their creatures look like rainforest? Like that's the like that's what No, no. I was just think I was just literally thinking of the most like random and obscure thing I could think of in the moment. And rainforest insects

[30:38] is like where my brain went. Yeah. Shout out rainforest insects, man. I want to see that. I want to see Listen, man. I have a toddler and I don't I can't I can't bring myself to make her watch too many of like the kids shows. So, we mainly when we need like a little downtime where we're sick or something like that, we watch nature documentaries. Like the other day, we watched a documentary about an orangutang orphanage and she was going nuts the whole time. So, I need I need some rainforest insect content personally as a I would say I you know, this is a total side tangent, but as

[31:03] like a recently new parent, dude, the most lucrative thing in the world to me is honestly kids stuff. Like you if you can come up with the next Bluey, if you know what Bluey is, if you come up with the next Bluey, you will be the you will instantly be like the richest person. Do you know Miss Do you know like Miss

[31:18] Rachel? Of course. Of course. This a perfect example. Like I know she's up so much and I'm like she really figured it out. Make content for kids, their parents. Guess what? You're going to have diaper companies spending money on ads. You're going to have like everybody everyone's that's going to spend money on your ads. And I'm like, "Yeah, the goal was just make like just make a kids an animated kids show with a really cool cartoon that just goes over like simple things like sharing and basic philosophies like what kids need. If it's cute and cuddly enough and it takes off in one family, those types of shows,

[31:53] they just keep growing because everyone has kids. Oh my, how do you keep your kids How do you keep your kids attention? Oh, I turn on Miss Rachel. Oh, I do this. It's like the most free marketing ever. So, yeah. Bryson, how do we tokenize Miss Rachel? How do we how do we turn kids like YouTube into a trench place? How do how can I bet on those warrior those creators, man? How can I become a trench warrior for that kind of stuff? That's what I want to know. Like, if I find an obscure show that my kid likes and I'm like, this is a season one of Miss Rachel, how do I

[32:27] get in on how to get in on the token, you know? How can I invest in that creator? That's what I want to know. How do I bind those things together? That's my that's my like I'm an expert in that stuff right now. You know what I mean? More so even than crypto stuff. I'm an expert in like kids content, managing your toddler's screen time. Like that's

[32:43] I'm a pro at that stuff currently. I feel like you'd be you'd just be great for being able to curate. Like oh man, I think you have what it takes. Like almost you start your own music studio, but it's just like it's just creator. It's just create. It's just kids creators for like um for like basic stuff like basic little shows that help kids learn things. Like I I'm bull I'm actually bullish on that category. Like I'm surprised there's not hasn't been like an AI tool that just spins up children's shows. Like someone should make that and they probably make

[33:13] a ridiculous amount of money. Like totally, hey, I have a I have my own character. Okay, give give the AI a story. And then the AI animates the character and it goes through a little five 10 minute story and you post hundreds of those on YouTube and you just have the like the titles and the tags that people with toddlers would short search up for their toddlers and yeah it could be called I don't know bluey blue or green green I whatever you want to call it right it's just so funny that like the world exists in a place where we can just do the most ridiculous stuff and

[33:50] and it be valuable Yeah, I will I listen I will say the AI thing is good, but I will say the charm of Miss Rachel is that she's just she's just some chick who started that pandemic just in her apartment in New York. Just started doing it cuz she had nothing else to do. I think she was she was like a kindergarten teacher or something like that before, but it's still like she just she just started doing it, you know, and she's just just some normal girl that making the content. There's nothing special about it. It's you see that Sesame Street's been naked doing the same [ __ ] 50 years, you know, and it's

[34:20] just like but she just just did it and did it well. Wore the same outfit every time with her pink her classic pink t-shirt and overalls and yeah um she nailed it. So I think there is there's space for there is space for the the the homegrown creator still in kids. Well, dude, this couldn't have gone further away from like let's trench on pump, you know, like this is this is the furthest possible thing. Um but dude, I want to wrap up. I don't want to take up too much more of your time and we keep these relatively short. Can you just give us at the very end, Bryson, like um are

[34:47] there any crypto companies that you you have invested in maybe and that you're bullish on and kind of your general take on like on on where the industry is going here at a at a nice pretty pretty nice prices these days compared to a couple years ago. Uh where are you at right now? Yeah. So, the first one I'll talk about and of course like I'll I'll disclose I

[35:05] am an angel investor in football. Fun. Uh previously before football fun I had done multiple brand deals with so rare. So I understood that pain point uh quite well. Uh football fun is basically like if you took so rare cards but each player instead of having cards they had liquid tokens behind them that you could

[35:22] buy sell and trade similar to pump fun. And I guess my bullish nature behind it is one I think that like products that can be built with coins but the products already have deep staying power and like cultural brand or fandom affinity have a better chance of taking off instead of trying to create new fandom. they're building on top of something that already hasn't. Um, absolutely crushed it. Uh, I think they've done like 50 million in volume or something ridiculous like that to this point. So, Football.fund is one that I'm super bullish on. And I'm bullish on a trading platform called Loot, L U T. Also an

[35:55] angel investor in that one. And basically, they're trying to create a more gamified experience for traders um that can compete with the Axoms of the world. And I think they're going to absolutely crush it. And those are probably two that I do keep like some sort of regular consistent cadence of just like staying up to date with. I trade football to have fun pretty regularly um and play the game because I am a big football fan. So if you want two I would say net positive crypto projects that are doing cool things and yeah the prices aren't ridiculous. I

[36:23] would say check both of those out. Loot is So this is Loot and they don't even have any Twitter posts yet. Yeah, they're very I mean I'm this is early. That is them indeed. Yeah, I'm a huge I know you mentioned Axio and I saw you post about it the other day. I'm I'm a huge believer in that platform. I'm trying to like just watch trade as much as I can to up my points and everything because I'm like this is they're at the top of the revenue charts every day. Nobody's talking about it. Uh they have a rewards program, you know what I mean? Like I I I'm very bullish

[36:50] on like platforms that can actually capture a huge part of that market share of trading. So um this is a this is a good call out. I'm going to check them out. That's that's really really good. So thank you for sharing that. And and to your point about the Axom thing like I love what those guys have done because when they built their company they went to the most competitive space at the most competitive time and there were many other competitors K's shilling other competitors like you know you had your Blex's you had like so many other ones were like oh my god Photon blue photon blue 3-1 lead there

[37:19] they I don't know they were they were the kings and they they kind of they haven't changed revolved but and they and literally I think the Axom guys just completely outshipped they talked to their community They built tools that like people actually wanted and they were just like the most approachable and I think that's why they've been able to like gather such a huge lead in that exchange space because you know in any competitive industry it's all about like how you outwork your your your competition and really focus on that long game. And I think that like wherever they want to go in the future I

[37:47] actually think Axom could be like I mean could be a bigger platform than Pump Fun at some point. Absolutely. Oh yeah. I'm surprised they haven't they have hyperlquid leverage right now. have per uh but I wouldn't be surprised they they they had more stuff in the hopper. So that's great to know and great shout out to to Loot. And I will also say football fund man like listen I ran a you know my original channel first mint was all about crypto sports NFTTS and for years that was the biggest question when people started buying Topsh shot you know four or five years ago was like well you know are

[38:15] these liquid now they're minting more moments everyone's mad and it's just like I always felt like the idea of like um these just being tokens made way I mean they were tokens but it being more of a liquid market cap token made a lot more sense than actual physicals obviously they're trying to collect you know be part of the collector uh industry, which is fine, but I I feel like football. Fun is nailing that. I've also seen some liquid funds. Um like I saw I know I'm sure you followed like a lot of the like fidgetitals and collector cryp stuff. I know that there's like one VC like it's a

[38:46] Charizard VC where they just buy Charizard PSA 10. That's so funny. So I but I like that kind of stuff, right? I'm like that's smart. And I could see there being a I've always envisioned there being the idea that's like, okay, how do you make like a LeBron token that is that has a shared it's like an ETF of like an index of LeBron stuff that's like the digital assets, the cards, like all that stuff and it just rotates through those assets to kind of always be holding the most profitable ones. That to me is the end goal for that kind of stuff. That's what makes the most sense

[39:16] is just being one token. I feel like those are like the style curators and I like the style curation because it's like Yeah. Like think about it like this. I mean, it's the same thing Michael Sailor is doing with Bitcoin if you own most of it. And like we all know it's like the lightning fast

[39:30] best asset in the world. You're the person who's also curating the army behind this. And you never have to sell your Bitcoin. You can always just take out loan loans against the assets as they go out in go up in value and pay them off to do other things. So, it's like, yeah, I mean, I'm super bullish on like the style curated. I think there was one that was doing the same thing with Crypto Punks not too long ago where they're like, "Oh, we're going to go buy like a 100 punks or something." So I like that there's that that's also been one of the I mean that's a whole

[39:55] other thing is Punk Strategy which was almost a hund00 million token this past weekend. But basically they created this mechanism where they use the fees from their trading of their token to buy punks on the floor and relist them at a higher floor. Uh and now they've spun that out into other top NFT collections. So that token almost hit 100 million this past weekend. Yeah. So they they've done really well. That's a very hot meta right now. Uh as NFTTS find new life open se. But that's a dude that's a whole other thing. So maybe we'll we'll bring you back in a couple months and I'll catch you up on more stuff. Uh

[40:22] hopefully by then I can afford a Cryptounk because it's like my dream NFT. I literally have one bookmarked and saved to my desktop and I was like if I ever actually I'll link it to you. If I ever get the money let's see if I ever get the money. It's it's it's one I'll put it in the chat when I get the money. I'm not going to say if when I get the extra residual income. I think it looks just like me. So that's like

[40:44] like legit. You'll see. Hold up. There he I think it literally looks just like me. This looks like it's a pricey one. Knowing I've looked at the floor a few times, this one looks like it's it's not going to be a floor punk. This looks like it's going to be a pretty Yeah, it was sold a couple of months ago. Um but yeah, I I kind of figured that like I'd have to get like to about 300k in residual income to like or just have 300k like just sitting to the side to get it. But like yeah, like I think in terms of NFT goals, this is my this

[41:14] would be my forever PFP for sure, man. You know, it's gonna happen one day. I It's I hope I hope for you. I really hope so for you. Pugs is a dark place for me because that's like when I started NFTTS, I was like, why would I go for these native ideas when I could when there's brands, you know? It was like 5 years ago in the summer. I'm like, I'm going to buy as many of these top shots as I can, which worked out awesome, don't get me wrong, but punks were like 500 bucks. And people like, you should buy a punk. The only PFPs there were

[41:40] punks. Everybody else just had PFPS themselves. That's what people used to do. There was no cartoon animals. And I was like, I don't even, you know, like, yeah, I wish I would have I wish I would have been around for that era just to like just to be stupid enough to buy something because it was so cheap and then not think about and like one thing I will say is like the best gains happen when you buy something and just forget about it. Like even some of my best token gains like buying coins on planes and then forgetting that I bought it and then getting off the plane and being up

[42:06] like 10 or 12x. When I sit there and I think about it, I always overtrade it. It doesn't matter if it's an NFT or like a coin, but if I forget about something, so if there's ever an error where something stupid comes out, I'm just going to buy it and put it to the side

[42:18] and like pretend it doesn't exist. That's amazing. That's okay. We'll wrap all that advice, man. Just buy things and then forget about them and come back five years later. Bryson, dude, you've been awesome, man. Thank you so much for coming on. Uh people can find you on Instagram now, which is great. Congrats on your new on your new followers. And I

[42:33] think on X, you're just Bryson, right? Yeah. Bryson_X and then Bryson everywhere else. Bryson. Okay, there you go. Give guys, give him a follow and Bryson get to chat with you finally, man. Thank you so much for coming on. Likewise. Want updates from the trenches alongside the tokens we're trading? Sub to our channel, then join the Milkro Den and Den Pro newsletters. This show is for educational purposes only. Nothing we say is financial advice. Investing is risky. Never invest more than you can

[42:59] afford to lose.

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